American billionaire’s plan to revolutionise football

http://www.news.com.au/sport/footba...l/news-story/0ac3c2ee2590e92d78ce217e00957cc3

The biggest clubs in europe see how much money American sports make and finally want a piece of the pie.

I think this is inevitable and will change football forever.
Someone who understands this better, please explain.

Is the idea to break the top ## teams in Europe away from their national leagues and into one super league? Would they no longer play in their national cup tournaments? Am I completely misunderstanding?
 
Someone who understands this better, please explain.

Is the idea to break the top ## teams in Europe away from their national leagues and into one super league? Would they no longer play in their national cup tournaments? Am I completely misunderstanding?

It was kind of vague, but my best guess is yes. They could also just ditch UEFA Champions League and stay in their national leagues. Both have downsides compared to the other. If they form the super league, and quit both CL and national leagues, then they'll have to play each other a lot to make up all the games. And they need games because that's the heart of what they sell to both TV and ticket buyers. They will also all lose a lot more than they normally do as they will only be playing each other. The teams at the bottom of this new Super League will lose a lot, and not have the chance to at least beat up on the lower half of their home leagues. And then the league won't seem so awesome. I think they need to stay in the home country leagues.
But if they do that, and if they form the Super League to only bypass CL, and opt to stay in the home leagues, then they're relying on an institution they have just partially crippled, and in which they will have engendered huge amounts of ill will. It could get ugly.
 
I really hope this doesn't happen.

"The new competition would see the English elite join with top clubs round Europe and cut out the risks of them missing out on Champions League millions every season if they fail to qualify."

There's a reason it's called the fucking Champions League. If you suck as much as Man United or Chelsea have sucked this year, then you don't deserve the "Champions League Millions." The whole appeal of European football for me has been pro/rel and the ability to see teams like Leicester upset everyone. Without Leicester and Spurs this BPL season would be boring as hell. The fight for a CL spot or Europe is also what keeps the season interesting.

It could get ugly.

It could absolutely kill the sport for a lot of people. Not to mention the hostility USA would face for stirring this shit up. Teams like PSG and Bayern have the most to gain from this, as their league seasons are basically over before they start, but I see no reason to reward teams like MU for playing like shit.
 
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It was kind of vague, but my best guess is yes. They could also just ditch UEFA Champions League and stay in their national leagues. Both have downsides compared to the other. If they form the super league, and quit both CL and national leagues, then they'll have to play each other a lot to make up all the games. And they need games because that's the heart of what they sell to both TV and ticket buyers. They will also all lose a lot more than they normally do as they will only be playing each other. The teams at the bottom of this new Super League will lose a lot, and not have the chance to at least beat up on the lower half of their home leagues. And then the league won't seem so awesome. I think they need to stay in the home country leagues.
But if they do that, and if they form the Super League to only bypass CL, and opt to stay in the home leagues, then they're relying on an institution they have just partially crippled, and in which they will have engendered huge amounts of ill will. It could get ugly.
I read it as ditching Champions League only, to create a European super league with fixed members. I don't see a reason this plan would require them leaving their domestic leagues...
 
The whole appeal of European football for me has been pro/rel and the ability to see teams like Leicester upset everyone. Without Leicester and Spurs this BPL season would be boring as hell. The fight for a CL spot or Europe is also what keeps the season interesting.

Now I haven't read the article and am not suggesting that this should happen. But how often does the bolded part above happen?

There have been 23 seasons of the Premier League. Only 5 teams have won a title with 20/23 belonging to 3 teams.

Don't get me wrong, I do like watching the BPL and the pro/rel fight makes watching the bottom teams entertaining and dramatic. And I really do like seeing what Leicester is doing this year. But what is happening this year seems to be an anomaly.
 
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Now I haven't read the article and am not suggesting that this should happen. But how often does the bolded part above happen?

There have been 23 seasons of the Premier League. Only 5 teams have won a title with 20/23 belonging to 3 teams.

Don't get me wrong, I do like watching the BPL and the pro/rel fight makes watching the bottom teams entertaining and dramatic. And I really do like seeing what Leicester is doing this year. But what is happening this year seems to be an anomaly.
Yeah, I'm all for the Premier League as it is but let's be honest. It's not a wide open race.

You have to go back to 2004 to find a team that isn't named Manchester United, Manchester City or Chelsea that won the league.

I think this would be a cool idea, a tournament of the top teams. You'd have to go back a similar amount of time in the Champions League to find a team that won that surprised anyone in Porto.
 
Now I haven't read the article and am not suggesting that this should happen. But how often does the bolded part above happen?

There have been 23 seasons of the Premier League. Only 5 teams have won a title with 20/23 belonging to 3 teams.

Don't get me wrong, I do like watching the BPL and the pro/rel fight makes watching the bottom teams entertaining and dramatic. And I really do like seeing what Leicester is doing this year. But what is happening this year seems to be an anomaly.
Who wins the league isn't the issue driving this, it's who qualifies for the CL.

Chelsea (to pick one example mentioned in the article) doesn't care if Leicester wins the league, Chelsea cares if Leicester keeps them out of the CL, which would trash Chelsea's finances.
 
But the league they are looking to create already exists in the CL. From the article it seems the only reason those teams (MU/Chelsea/LP) want this is because for once they might miss out on it, and deservedly so. It could mean those teams throw the EPL like some Cup games, etc. because it is more meaningless to them. I guess that could force some synthetic "parity" into the EPL, but I think it would be a shame.
 
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Teams like PSG and Bayern have the most to gain from this, as their league seasons are basically over before they start, but I see no reason to reward teams like MU for playing like shit.
I think the teams like MU, and basically all the Big English teams, gain the most from this, as it insulates them from the negative effects of a down year in ways that Bayern and PSG don't have to worry about for now. If the French and German leagues ever get their TV money up to PL levels that could change. But for now this is life-saving insulation for MU, Chelsea and Liverpool.
Don't get me wrong, I do like watching the BPL and the pro/rel fight makes watching the bottom teams entertaining and dramatic. And I really do like seeing what Leicester is doing this year. But what is happening this year seems to be an anomaly.
Yeah but it's been trending this way in the PL and will only get worse I think. Once MC turned the top 4 into a Top 5, it guaranteed that one of those top teams would miss CL every year, which has hurt them, probably Liverpool the most. But they all have to worry now about not making CL in a way that had gotten used to not worrying for 8-10 years. In the other direction, massive PL TV money has narrowed the gap between the top and the rest in the PL in ways that hasn't happened in the rest of Europe. With the Spurs new stadium and NFL deal, they're on the verge of maybe breaking through in a big way. Freeze them out now before they take hold and make it a Big 6.
I read it as ditching Champions League only, to create a European super league with fixed members. I don't see a reason this plan would require them leaving their domestic leagues...
You're probably right, but I'm intrigued, especially in England, about the power shift this potentially creates in the PL. Right now the majority 15 PL teams could theoretically vote to reduce the TV take of the Big 5. They don't because they need the Big 5, and the Big 5 could threaten to, oh, maybe help create and join a European Super League, and pull up the ladders that would allow anyone else to climb up. If the Big 5 go ahead and do that, but remain in the PL, their only remaining threat is to leave the PL altogether. But here's the thing, because they stayed, they signal that they think they need the PL, probably for the reasons I mentioned above. Now there's a potential power shift, if the remaining PL teams have the nerve to play chicken. Vote to split the PL TV money in a way that freezes the Big 5 out of the major share. Instead of dividing money based purely on league finish, maybe make it that teams that qualify and go to CL get the most, then Europa teams, then anyone else who was CL eligible, then the league minimum goes to teams that dropped out of the CL competition. So if you finish first or second but have abandoned the CL, you might as well have finished 15th as far as the TV money is divided. The Big 5 can threaten to leave if the other teams do this, but they probably cannot actually follow through with that threat right now. Playing only in the trans-Europe Super League just won't generate enough games for them. If I owned the Spurs, or Everton, or Southhampton, etc, I'd be calling meetings to game plan this right now.
 
the headlines yesterday were reading they wanted to "break away" from champions league but i thought you dont "break away" you have to qualify for the champions league.

now i see what they meant with superleague.

so basically they want to do a basketball euro league...where the same teams play in it every year regardless how they do in their domestic league....and new teams would have to go thru qualifiers and obtain "licenses" to be able to participate.
 
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Who wins the league isn't the issue driving this, it's who qualifies for the CL.

Chelsea (to pick one example mentioned in the article) doesn't care if Leicester wins the league, Chelsea cares if Leicester keeps them out of the CL, which would trash Chelsea's finances.
Ahhhh, I see that now. Fair point.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-meet-to-discuss-breakaway-super-league.html

I'm with the West Ham guy:

West Ham United co-chairman David Sullivan told Telegraph Sport: “It would destroy football as we know it. It’s so sad that five clubs all owned by foreigners are even considering it.

“If the Premier League champions were not included, it would lose its gloss very quickly in the eyes of supporters.


“Also, if there was no relegation, everything other than the top of the division would be boring by mid-season.”

And this guy:

“The Super League already exists,” Infantino said. “It’s called the Champions League.”
 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-meet-to-discuss-breakaway-super-league.html

I'm with the West Ham guy:

West Ham United co-chairman David Sullivan told Telegraph Sport: “It would destroy football as we know it. It’s so sad that five clubs all owned by foreigners are even considering it.

“If the Premier League champions were not included, it would lose its gloss very quickly in the eyes of supporters.


“Also, if there was no relegation, everything other than the top of the division would be boring by mid-season.”

And this guy:

“The Super League already exists,” Infantino said. “It’s called the Champions League.”

true but this is something that has been sort of been rumored or mentioned for years now. Ever since the G14 were created its been alluded to rumored etc. only this time i think they may actually be going for it.
 
This is hilarious, just 'big' clubs whining because they arn't as good as teams like Leicester. Probably worried about losing their global fanbase - in particular AC Milan who unlike United/Chelsea have been out of the CL for a few years in a row now.
 
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I think the teams like MU, and basically all the Big English teams, gain the most from this, as it insulates them from the negative effects of a down year in ways that Bayern and PSG don't have to worry about for now. If the French and German leagues ever get their TV money up to PL levels that could change. But for now this is life-saving insulation for MU, Chelsea and Liverpool.

I agree that it seems to help the english teams the most. On top of the money it also helps with recruiting. The big EPL teams are still at a disadvantage when recruiting top players because unlike Barca, Real, PSG, Bayren they are not essentially guaranteed a CL spot every year.
 
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I agree that it seems to help the english teams the most. On top of the money it also helps with recruiting. The big EPL teams are still at a disadvantage when recruiting top players because unlike Barca, Real, PSG, Bayren they are not essentially guaranteed a CL spot every year.

true but also think of the UEFA coefficient.....they need to get wins and advance or suffer the same fate italy suffered by losing a spot to germany.

i guess premier league fear that leicester may be like blackburn back in the 90's that were bottom of their group.
 
The genesis for this started when the champions league expanded to include non champions to increase tv money.

The kicker was the introduction of FFP which was meant to stop clubs bleeding money, which it did, but it also meant that the big clubs became even more powerful than before.

Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 are now 1 horse races with no other club being able to challenge. Watch juve/bayern/PSG win for many years straight plus what they have already done since FFP was introduced.

They see their domestic leagues as being of little competition to them now hence why they want this Super league.

Whats interesting is the EPL clubs being considered. They really don't need the money as the TV rights for the PL in future is set to increase dramatically.

This leads me to my other line of thinking. I think Clubs like barca/bayern/juve etc see the tv money flowing into the PL and realise they need to do something to compete and hence this competition would likely do that.

Take out the top 5 supported clubs from the PL and it falls in a heap which kills two birds with one stone.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...s-meet-to-discuss-breakaway-super-league.html

I'm with the West Ham guy:

West Ham United co-chairman David Sullivan told Telegraph Sport: “It would destroy football as we know it. It’s so sad that five clubs all owned by foreigners are even considering it.

“If the Premier League champions were not included, it would lose its gloss very quickly in the eyes of supporters.


“Also, if there was no relegation, everything other than the top of the division would be boring by mid-season.”

And this guy:

“The Super League already exists,” Infantino said. “It’s called the Champions League.”


David Sullivan needs to realise that nearly nobody outside of England is watching the PL for West Ham. He rides the coat tails of the big 5.

You can also bet playoffs a final and no pro/rel would be part of this super league