Stadium Discussion

[Drainyoo]

Bronx is ideal. Its in some what would say New York City Proper. We know many in the boroughs refer to Manhattan as the City, there the stadium would be great. (I always pictured a stadium like Atletico;s vicente calderon in the city where the west side highway or FDR would go underneath one section of the stadium and the rest on the pier (http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/spain/madrid/madrid_vicente_calderon1.jpg)

But that seems far from happening, Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens have so much waterfront for this (sorry staten island, you guys are cool you make it to Yankees and Mets game, but for the rest of folks Verazzano is too far, and majority of New Yorkers don't own cars or might get sick in the ferry)

Look at the Cosmo, they are out in Long Island, they can't even get a large fan base there. (South Bronx, is the closest space where negotiations are happening, and cheaper I think than either Queens or Brooklyn waterfront views) We know that Brooklyn waterfront will be hard, as you've noticed they even try putting a new apartments development with low income, and got rejected by community. Queens waterfront would be good, but LIC is getting pricier.

Randall's Island would be great, but lacks the necessary public transportation (subways).

NYCFC shouldn't share stadium with NYRB, even though its a nice stadium. The stadium's top priority should be that its built near public transportation (that spot in south bronx has 6 trains that go there (Eastside of Manhattan - 4 ,5, West Side 2, ,D, B and Metro North. Ideal for commuters.)

This new site in Queen's is inconvenient for us that only have one train to get there, and the idea of riding a bus to it is ridiculous as driving during rush hour there.

And the Bronx is inconvenient and far for a bunch of other people. No location will be perfect. This Queens location is just as good and the one in the Bronx. Actually, it might be better because there's much less red tape and politics to deal with.

People need to get it out of their heads that the stadium will be on a water front near Manhattan, or in Manhattan. It's not going to happen, simple as that. It be amazing, but it's not realistic. Forget it.

The Queens location gets us a SSS faster than probably any other location. We should all embrace it if it's true.

 

[Gene]

If there's one thing I've learned over the years is never say never. I mean for a couple of years the Yankees did play at Shea Stadium while Yankee Stadium was be renovated in the mid-70's.

Anyway, imo the team is going to use Yankee Stadium until our own sss becomes available. I don't know how NYCFC feels about it, but IF for some reason YS becomes a no go I would not have any problems with using RB arena for a year. It's the best venue in the area. I still maintain (as I've said several times before) Citi Field is still on the table.

The Wilponzis may hate our guts, but they'll never say no to rental $$$

 

[Trone]

Acqueduct seems like a pretty terrible location, people from queens wouldnt even be able to get there via the subway, the ride from manhattan would be very long, driving from any direction would be a nightmare (see JFK airport) The public transportation is pretty terrible, the A train stops for north and south arent even close to each other and it would be a traffic nightmare.

 

[Scott McCarthy]

Acqueduct seems like a pretty terrible location, people from queens wouldnt even be able to get there via the subway, the ride from manhattan would be very long, driving from any direction would be a nightmare (see JFK airport) The public transportation is pretty terrible, the A train stops for north and south arent even close to each other and it would be a traffic nightmare.

How can people who live in Queens, not make it to Aqueduct?
I grew up and lived in Queens for a majority of my life; the Q53 runs a straight shot down from Queens Blvd that can get people to Rockaway Blvd A train station, which is one stop away from Aqueduct.
People from Ozone Park, South Ozone Park, Howard Beach, Broad Channel & The Rockaways can just hop on the A.
People from South Brooklyn can take the Q35 to Beach 116th street and make the train connection to Aqueduct.
However, since the only concern being raised by area residents is traffic, I would suggest the team run free shuttle bus services for ticket holders from a few locations (Jamaica Station in Queens, Flatbush & Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn & Yankee Stadium in The Bronx) that would alleviate some traffic concerns of residents and help fans that benefited from the Yankee stadium location, have a smoother transition. This would be something akin to what Cosmos already do at the LIRR station.
The fact remains, no site in the five boroughs can have a SSS built faster and few hassles than Aqueduct, it is city property, pay them the asking price and grease the right wheels and the land is theirs, the site is already zoned for sports & entertainment and for all the complaining about how the area can’t handle 20,000+ crowds, I ask them to do their research as Aqueduct in the 1960’s and 1970’s regularly drew crowds of 40,000+

 

[Drainyoo]

I love how people are complaining that South Queens can't handle large crowds and traffic, but think that South Bronx, Brooklyn and Manhattan can. It's insanity. If anything, South Queens can handle a large influx of people and cars better than any location in NYC.

Also, concerning the traffic, there are exits off the Belt and N. Conduit Ave that go right into the parking lot for the Aqueduct and Casino. I doubt traffic will be any crazier than what you experience at any stadium in NYC. N. Conduit Ave and Cross Bay are like mini highways. Going to South Bronx you have to deal with a bridge and the Major Deegan, which is shiate.

Yes, public transition might take a little longer, but like Scott McCarthy mentioned above, you can easily get to the location.

 

[Victors87]

Most of New York City folks don't own cars. We use public transportation. Will they construct more subways lines that go to this aqueduct location, if so, great. But that won't happen.

You talk about these exits. NYC is known as the location in the states that uses public transportation.

Bronx has managed transportation, and most people that go to yankee stadium use public transportation.

You can not get easily to this location only on one train?

And using bus? - really? (Busses are public transportation but not great to get to games, when you can be stuck in traffic for the whole game)

Manhattan stadium is far out, but hey America (or $$$) can get things done

 

[Brooooooklyn2015]

Between YS and the casino site, YS has BY FAR the better public transit access. For this reason, I much prefer the YS site.

 

[Drainyoo]

Most of New York City folks don't own cars. We use public transportation. Will they construct more subways lines that go to this aqueduct location, if so, great. But that won't happen.

I've lived in NYC my entire life, always had a car. My entire family lives in Queens, and my extended family in NYC, and pretty much everyone owns and uses a car every day. Maybe if you live in Manhattan you don't have a car, but if you're in the other boroughs there is a good chance you have a car. I don't know where this notion that NYers don't own cars came from. It's ludicrous.

Bronx has managed transportation, and most people that go to yankee stadium use public transportation.

And they also drive to the game.

You can not get easily to this location only on one train?

That's all you need to get to get to a location. The A train is the longest line in the system hits major hubs in the system and you can transfer from the others. You can easily get to the Aqueduct by train, it's just going to take a little longer. Let's not make it seem like it's difficult. Buses do suck, but they are an option.

 

[Drainyoo]

Between YS and the casino site, YS has BY FAR the better public transit access. For this reason, I much prefer the YS site.

What do you mean by better access? It's close to a subway stop? That's not true.

It's a shorter ride from midtown? True, but not everyone is coming from midtown. It's actually a longer ride for folks in South Brooklyn and LI.

Two trains stop at Yankee stadium? True, but I wouldn't say that makes it SO MUCH better.

 

[Victors87]

What do you mean by better access? It's close to a subway stop? That's not true.

It's a shorter ride from midtown? True, but not everyone is coming from midtown. It's actually a longer ride for folks in South Brooklyn and LI.

Two trains stop at Yankee stadium? True, but I wouldn't say that makes it SO MUCH better.

6 trains stops ( B, D, 2, 4, 5 and the metronorth)

 

[Trone]

Also, I cant get on board because it is the option that will get a SSS build the quickest, has to make sense and be easy to get , very few areas of NYC are hard ot get to

How can people who live in Queens, not make it to Aqueduct?
I grew up and lived in Queens for a majority of my life; the Q53 runs a straight shot down from Queens Blvd that can get people to Rockaway Blvd A train station, which is one stop away from Aqueduct.
People from Ozone Park, South Ozone Park, Howard Beach, Broad Channel & The Rockaways can just hop on the A.
People from South Brooklyn can take the Q35 to Beach 116th street and make the train connection to Aqueduct.
However, since the only concern being raised by area residents is traffic, I would suggest the team run free shuttle bus services for ticket holders from a few locations (Jamaica Station in Queens, Flatbush & Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn & Yankee Stadium in The Bronx) that would alleviate some traffic concerns of residents and help fans that benefited from the Yankee stadium location, have a smoother transition. This would be something akin to what Cosmos already do at the LIRR station.
The fact remains, no site in the five boroughs can have a SSS built faster and few hassles than Aqueduct, it is city property, pay them the asking price and grease the right wheels and the land is theirs, the site is already zoned for sports & entertainment and for all the complaining about how the area can’t handle 20,000+ crowds, I ask them to do their research as Aqueduct in the 1960’s and 1970’s regularly drew crowds of 40,000+

I can't argue with the bus going to acqueduct but busses suck. i mean there is a ferry that goes to staten island , why dont we just do it there. OF course there is a way to get there, its not a remote desert island but the point is , its not easy. Sports venues should be near as many public transportations options as possible, i.e. barclays center, barclays has a tremendous location soley for the transportation options that exist, that is what differeniates sites in NYC. There is no other real factor in determining what a good location is, it is all dependant on mass transit and/or highway access. Acqueduct does not pass this test, Bronx does....GW bridge,87, 95, 4,5 train from the east, B,D from west, metro north.

 

[Rand]

I'm out on L.I. so I'm driving regardless of where the stadium winds up. I think they'll build the stadium at whichever location is better for the business of the club, not the location which they can build on the quickest. 2 years at Yankee stadium or 3, as long as we get a nice soccer only stadium, I'm good.

 

[Victors87]

I've lived in NYC my entire life, always had a car. My entire family lives in Queens, and my extended family in NYC, and pretty much everyone owns and uses a car every day. Maybe if you live in Manhattan you don't have a car, but if you're in the other boroughs there is a good chance you have a car. I don't know where this notion that NYers don't own cars came from. It's ludicrous.



And they also drive to the game.



That's all you need to get to get to a location. The A train is the longest line in the system hits major hubs in the system and you can transfer from the others. You can easily get to the Aqueduct by train, it's just going to take a little longer. Let's not make it seem like it's difficult. Buses do suck, but they are an option.

I lived in NYC my whole life as well. I was born downtown Manhattan, grew Up in Washington Heights, and have family both in Brooklyn and Queens, and friends from Staten Island.

According to Census

http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces...ml?pid=ACS_13_1YR_GCT0804.ST04&prodType=table

over 55% of the population.

NYC is

http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/13/real_estate/public_transit_commutes/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_high_transit_ridership

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_transit_in_New_York_City

 

[Brooooooklyn2015]

Various factors, the 4/B/D and the other trains not so far from Yankee stadium are much better(More fequent service and more transfers) than just the rockaway A. Plus YS is just closer to most of the densest parts of NYC. Even south Brooklyn (I used coney as an example) takes a shorter time to go to YS than the racetrack. The winners would be LI and parts of southern Queens and eastern parts of BK.

Even from my apartment in Bed Stuy(close to the A) google estimates its closer. Main point- The Aqueduct Racetrack is FAR and isolated from much of nyc.

 

[Gene]

FWIW, I went to the "Trip Planner" on the MTA web page. From downtown Manhattan it's only a 32 minute ride from Whitehall St (on the R) to Jay St where you would transfer to the A to get out to Aqueduct.

I have to admit I have no idea how guys from Brooklyn or Queens would get out to Aqueduct via subway, but would I be wrong to assume it would be a quicker ride? From experiencing going to Yankee Stadium riding on the 4 its about a 35 minute ride from Bowling Green to 161 st.

So from my personal point of view riding the subway a little more than an hour (at worse) or less (depending where you would get on the 4 in the Bronx or Manhattan) to get out to Aqueduct isn't the most convenient way to get there, but is it really bad enough to be a deal breaker?

 

[FredMertz]

How can people who live in Queens, not make it to Aqueduct?
I grew up and lived in Queens for a majority of my life; the Q53 runs a straight shot down from Queens Blvd that can get people to Rockaway Blvd A train station, which is one stop away from Aqueduct.

I think you are dramatically overestimating the willingness of New Yorkers to take a bus.

 

[FredMertz]

FWIW, I went to the "Trip Planner" on the MTA web page. From downtown Manhattan it's only a 32 minute ride from Whitehall St (on the R) to Jay St where you would transfer to the A to get out to Aqueduct.

Why use Whitehall Street as a base? You couldn't have picked a part of Manhattan that has fewer residents.

According to Google Maps Mass Transit:

Grand Central to YS/Aqueduct: 18 minutes/~1 hour.
Penn Station: 28 minutes/~1 hour
Brooklyn Heights (Cadman Plaza): 39 minutes/38 minutes.
Forests Hills (71st/Continental): 41 minutes/41 minutes
LIC (Queens Plaza): 29 minutes/54 minutes.
Prospect Park (Grand Army Plaza): 48 minutes/57 minutes.

Grand Army Plaza is 7 miles away from Aqueduct and it takes 57 freaking minutes to get there. It's 11 miles from Yankee Stadium and takes 9 minutes less.

If this data does not stop this debate, the Aqueduct supporters have left the land of the reasonable.

A stadium at Aqueduct is absurd and there is nothing in the history of the MCFC management that suggests that do absurd things.

 

[Gene]

Actually I used Whitehall St as a reference since that's where my subway ride would begin.

 

[einwindir]

Why use Whitehall Street as a base? You couldn't have picked a part of Manhattan that has fewer residents.

According to Google Maps Mass Transit:

Grand Central to YS/Aqueduct: 18 minutes/~1 hour.
Penn Station: 28 minutes/~1 hour
Brooklyn Heights (Cadman Plaza): 39 minutes/38 minutes.
Forests Hills (71st/Continental): 41 minutes/41 minutes
LIC (Queens Plaza): 29 minutes/54 minutes.
Prospect Park (Grand Army Plaza): 48 minutes/57 minutes.

Grand Army Plaza is 7 miles away from Aqueduct and it takes 57 freaking minutes to get there. It's 11 miles from Yankee Stadium and takes 9 minutes less.

If this data does not stop this debate, the Aqueduct supporters have left the land of the reasonable.

A stadium at Aqueduct is absurd and there is nothing in the history of the MCFC management that suggests that do absurd things.

Without putting much thought into I would imagine he chose Whitehall St because it's the Southernmost tip of Manhattan therefore the longest possible trip. And it's the nearest station to the SI Ferry which would be a waypoint for many of our Staten Island residents.

 

[Scott McCarthy]

I think you are dramatically overestimating the willingness of New Yorkers to take a bus.

I see packed buses every single day....I think it is not a stretch of the imagination.