Proof that Our Pitch is 70 Yards Wide

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I am very tired of the old trope that our pitch is narrower than the MLS mandated 70 yards. This was kicked around a lot during our first year, and now seems to be accepted wisdom, even though it is demonstrably false. I think it would be good for all of us to be equipped with the proof so that we can bring it out when others use the pitch argument when trashing our Club's stadium situation as amateurish and unprofessional.

I actually figured out the proof by looking at a post on a blog for Atlanta United. It was trying to prove that our pitch is only 68 yards wide. It used a really good way to analyze the question, but then ultimately failed to get the right answer because it used a photo with a bad angle. Confirmation bias, perhaps? You can read it here.

The Proof

On most soccer fields, there are short hash marks just past each end line. These are meant to delineate the spot that is 10 yards from a corner kick (this helps the referee ensure the defenders are keeping the proper distance). Since a corner kick can be taken up to 1 yard from the sideline, each mark is 11 yards from the nearest sideline. See the diagram below.

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From here, it is simple math. The two marks indicate 22 yards of field width (11 yards for each). The penalty area is 44 yards wide. Those add up to 66 yards. That leaves the distance between the edge of the penalty area and each hash mark - it is the only variable. If that distance is 2 yards for each, then you get 4 more yards or 70 total. If it is only 1 yard, then you get 2 more yards, or 68.

The Atlanta United post used a sideline photo that compresses the distance between the hash mark and the penalty area, and concludes the difference is only 1 yard for a field width of 68 yards. However, if you look at the photos below, the distance is pretty clearly 2 yards, for a field width of 70.

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I am very tired of the old trope that our pitch is narrower than the MLS mandated 70 yards. This was kicked around a lot during our first year, and now seems to be accepted wisdom, even though it is demonstrably false. I think it would be good for all of us to be equipped with the proof so that we can bring it out when others use the pitch argument when trashing our Club's stadium situation as amateurish and unprofessional.

I actually figured out the proof by looking at a post on a blog for Atlanta United. It was trying to prove that our pitch is only 68 yards wide. It used a really good way to analyze the question, but then ultimately failed to get the right answer because it used a photo with a bad angle. Confirmation bias, perhaps? You can read it here.

The Proof

On most soccer fields, there are short hash marks just past each end line. These are meant to delineate the spot that is 10 yards from a corner kick (this helps the referee ensure the defenders are keeping the proper distance). Since a corner kick can be taken up to 1 yard from the sideline, each mark is 11 yards from the nearest sideline. See the diagram below.

soccer-field-dimension-imperial.jpg


From here, it is simple math. The two marks indicate 22 yards of field width (11 yards for each). The penalty area is 44 yards wide. Those add up to 66 yards. That leaves the distance between the edge of the penalty area and each hash mark - it is the only variable. If that distance is 2 yards for each, then you get 4 more yards or 70 total. If it is only 1 yard, then you get 2 more yards, or 68.

The Atlanta United post used a sideline photo that compresses the distance between the hash mark and the penalty area, and concludes the difference is only 1 yard for a field width of 68 yards. However, if you look at the photos below, the distance is pretty clearly 2 yards, for a field width of 70.

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Solid post Gator and this all makes logical sense.

However, since we cannot simply measure that distance from the hash mark to the penalty area and "prove" that it is 2 yards or greater (others will still try and argue against you), I think its important to compare that distance to the radius from the corners as those are clearly different.
 
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You're basing this all on the fact that every other line is up to par in legal/rule/mandated measurements. The logic is 100% there, but just to play devil's advocate, what if the ratios of everything are 95% of what they actually should be? What if the corner flag radius is actually only .9 yards? What if the penalty area was taken in an extra yard or so on each side?
Again, Gotham Gator Gotham Gator , excellent logistical work on this. However, your work is based solely on the lines being exact based off of mandated rules. This argument may go on until each line can be proven 100% accurately measured by multiple parties using different forms of measurement tools. Have Calen Carr and Susannah Collins measure it for shits and giggles on This Week in MLS?
#FieldDimensionConspiracy
 
You're basing this all on the fact that every other line is up to par in legal/rule/mandated measurements. The logic is 100% there, but just to play devil's advocate, what if the ratios of everything are 95% of what they actually should be? What if the corner flag radius is actually only .9 yards? What if the penalty area was taken in an extra yard or so on each side?
Again, Gotham Gator Gotham Gator , excellent logistical work on this. However, your work is based solely on the lines being exact based off of mandated rules. This argument may go on until each line can be proven 100% accurately measured by multiple parties using different forms of measurement tools. Have Calen Carr and Susannah Collins measure it for shits and giggles on This Week in MLS?
#FieldDimensionConspiracy

Ha!

Given what happened in Montreal when the penalty area was too small for their playoff game in 2016, I don't think we could get away with those being below grade. The players would notice it immediately.
 
Ha!

Given what happened in Montreal when the penalty area was too small for their playoff game in 2016, I don't think we could get away with those being below grade. The players would notice it immediately.

But would the referees authorized by PRO run by US Soccer in coordination with MLS turn a blind eye?
 
I am very tired of the old trope that our pitch is narrower than the MLS mandated 70 yards. This was kicked around a lot during our first year, and now seems to be accepted wisdom, even though it is demonstrably false. I think it would be good for all of us to be equipped with the proof so that we can bring it out when others use the pitch argument when trashing our Club's stadium situation as amateurish and unprofessional.

I actually figured out the proof by looking at a post on a blog for Atlanta United. It was trying to prove that our pitch is only 68 yards wide. It used a really good way to analyze the question, but then ultimately failed to get the right answer because it used a photo with a bad angle. Confirmation bias, perhaps? You can read it here.

The Proof

On most soccer fields, there are short hash marks just past each end line. These are meant to delineate the spot that is 10 yards from a corner kick (this helps the referee ensure the defenders are keeping the proper distance). Since a corner kick can be taken up to 1 yard from the sideline, each mark is 11 yards from the nearest sideline. See the diagram below.

soccer-field-dimension-imperial.jpg


From here, it is simple math. The two marks indicate 22 yards of field width (11 yards for each). The penalty area is 44 yards wide. Those add up to 66 yards. That leaves the distance between the edge of the penalty area and each hash mark - it is the only variable. If that distance is 2 yards for each, then you get 4 more yards or 70 total. If it is only 1 yard, then you get 2 more yards, or 68.

The Atlanta United post used a sideline photo that compresses the distance between the hash mark and the penalty area, and concludes the difference is only 1 yard for a field width of 68 yards. However, if you look at the photos below, the distance is pretty clearly 2 yards, for a field width of 70.


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Your logic is totally sound (for values of logically true/not true) but as others have said your basic premise is that the lines on the field are true which is something we just don't know. If each measurement is only 6" closer than it ought to be nobody would be able to tell without a tape measure and we could easily have a 68 yard field. As evidence of my premise I present Pirlo's innumerable always-too-long passes. Irrefutable. There, I've now logically proven both our small field *and* Pirlo's genius.

You're welcome.
 
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Your logic is totally sound (for values of logically true/not true) but as others have said your basic premise is that the lines on the field are true which is something we just don't know. If each measurement is only 6" closer than it ought to be nobody would be able to tell without a tape measure and we could easily have a 68 year field. As evidence of my premise I present the Pirlo's innumerable always-too-long passes. Irrefutable. There, I've now logically proven both our small field *and* Pirlo's genius.

You're welcome.
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Your logic is totally sound (for values of logically true/not true) but as others have said your basic premise is that the lines on the field are true which is something we just don't know. If each measurement is only 6" closer than it ought to be nobody would be able to tell without a tape measure and we could easily have a 68 yard field. As evidence of my premise I present Pirlo's innumerable always-too-long passes. Irrefutable. There, I've now logically proven both our small field *and* Pirlo's genius.

You're welcome.
I wish I knew you were being sarcastic.

FTR, I always thought the edge of our box looked way too close to the flag from 215. d
 
I think it would be good for all of us to be equipped with the proof so that we can bring it out when others use the pitch argument when trashing our Club's stadium situation as amateurish and unprofessional.
I can't imagine a scenario in which I would want to spend any energy debating the size of anyone's pitch.
 
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Stumbled upon this thread cause I saw Gator responding to an ATL fan on the MLS website about our field size in the article about the TFC game.

As others have pointed out. the logic in Gator's opening post is sound but is based on the premise that all the line markings on the field are in fact where they should be.

I posit the goals are of standard fifa regulated size, which is 8 YARDS wide from the inside of the posts. If it were smaller, even by a few inches, I think anyone would easily notice. using this measurement, and a straight on undistorted view of the end line, one can simply line up the goal line between the posts, end to end, from one corner flag to the other 9 times, which would give us 72 YARDS. Line up the corner flag arcs, from the same photo, to the end to show that the extra goal line length is 2 yard and voila.. 70 yard width.

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a single undistorted image of our field from the endline. My seat is endline, so I'll see if I can measure it this Saturday using my phone's visual measure app.
 
Following up on my above post.. here at the quakes game. These pics are as best I could get straight on down the middle.

First pic shows a ruler to measure the distance inside the posts. I read 13 ticks.

The second pic is lined up for the corner flag. I count 58 ticks to the middle of the goal.

58 / 13 = 4.46

4.46 * 8 = ~35 which is half the width.therefore our field is 70 yards wide.

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I appreciate the effort. Still, I am not sure this attempt to prove that we aren’t playing on some kind of mini pitch built to scale is helping things.

The idea is rather absurd, and that Atlanta guy is a complete tool anyway. This kind of stuff just gives him alternative ways to explain his crazy conspiracy theories.
 
I appreciate the effort. Still, I am not sure this attempt to prove that we aren’t playing on some kind of mini pitch built to scale is helping things.

The idea is rather absurd, and that Atlanta guy is a complete tool anyway. This kind of stuff just gives him alternative ways to explain his crazy conspiracy theories.

Eh screw what others think. It's the claimed width as far as I'm concerned. The length is questionable. But I'm not sure how I could find a way to check that too. Don't have the right angles.

Opposing fans will pick on the field cause that's all they have against us. ATL playing on plastic.. if they think that's any better just cause it's a larger fields, they obviously don't know soccer.

I mainly did it for my own peace of mind. Don't really care what other fans say. It is a temporary situation after all.. albeit a long temporary situation