The Average Mlb Team Is Now Worth $1.2 Billion Dollars

typicalcity said:
Mike you seem like one of the better posters on this forum.
Why do you think 100m will be a bargain and why don't you think the whole thing could just flop ?
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Why thank you very much.

I think first of all, I think NYCFC for all their missteps have a very good crew behind the scenes. You don't luck into 15k season tickets for MLS, even with CFG's money. So I seem them continuing to grow the market and their fan base. With the addition of a stadium and some on the field success, that profile will only grow especially in the country's biggest market.

As for MLS as a whole, attendance has gotten better but TV has always lagged. TV is the big generator in value in sports (as the Premier League knows very well). With MLS cultivating young professionals and tapping into Hispanic audiences, MLS presents attractive demographics. I believe the TV ratings will only increase and this will substantially increase the value of MLS franchises.

As to baseball, the experience of going to baseball games and soccer matches are very different. Baseball is a very leisurely experience. You go to the game with a buddy and talk about the players, team, life, etc. while the game is going on, cheering at the relevant times. There's a lot of dead space, so 81 games doesn't mean you get drunk and cheer as intense as you would for soccer.

Also worth noting that very frequently these season tickets are not bought by individuals or by individuals for them alone. Often business will buy them with a thought of taking clients in town out to games or giving some games out to employees as rewards. As for clients, the leisurely nature I described above works very well for charming a client and throwing in some business talk, not to mention even clients who don't like baseball will be willing to go to a game at Yankee Stadium just for the experience of it.

I imagine what I just described is absolutely foreign and/or horrifying to a football supporter in Manchester.
 
typicalcity said:
Just wow I carnt get my head round that.
How the hell do you watch it live do you just go and live at the stadium for the week ? Do they play all their home games in a block and why an earth so many games ? Carnt they play each other team just home and away once like most football leagues.162 + games sounds insane
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Baseball isn't as physically demanding as soccer or American football. If you're an outfielder and your starting pitcher is pitching a gem, you stand around all day doing nothing. So it's easier to play everyday, though, towards the end of the season players start getting tired and hurt.

Starting pitchers don't pitch everyday. Their arms would fall off. They usually pitch every 5 days.

As a fan, you buy tickets for single games. You can go to any game in a series, just have to buy the ticket for that game.
 
MikeDatTiger said:
Why thank you very much.

I think first of all, I think NYCFC for all their missteps have a very good crew behind the scenes. You don't luck into 15k season tickets for MLS, even with CFG's money. So I seem them continuing to grow the market and their fan base. With the addition of a stadium and some on the field success, that profile will only grow especially in the country's biggest market.

As for MLS as a whole, attendance has gotten better but TV has always lagged. TV is the big generator in value in sports (as the Premier League knows very well). With MLS cultivating young professionals and tapping into Hispanic audiences, MLS presents attractive demographics. I believe the TV ratings will only increase and this will substantially increase the value of MLS franchises.

As to baseball, the experience of going to baseball games and soccer matches are very different. Baseball is a very leisurely experience. You go to the game with a buddy and talk about the players, team, life, etc. while the game is going on, cheering at the relevant times. There's a lot of dead space, so 81 games doesn't mean you get drunk and cheer as intense as you would for soccer.

Also worth noting that very frequently these season tickets are not bought by individuals or by individuals for them alone. Often business will buy them with a thought of taking clients in town out to games or giving some games out to employees as rewards. As for clients, the leisurely nature I described above works very well for charming a client and throwing in some business talk, not to mention even clients who don't like baseball will be willing to go to a game at Yankee Stadium just for the experience of it.

I imagine what I just described is absolutely foreign and/or horrifying to a football supporter in Manchester.
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Still in shock at 162 games lol
I absolutely love my football but my season ticket for 19 league games is enough its a relief when we get drawn away from home in the cup.
Believe it or not I read sports newspaper's 24/7 in the UK and if you offered me $1 m I couldn't name a NFL or baseball player honestly.except the one that married Marilyn Monroe.
I can see football growing in the states but what would worry me as an owner is 15,000 season tickets is fantastic but on the scheme of things going forward is that going to make big bucks for the owners?
Will TV money in the states make them big money ?
To grow mls its got to grow a world wide audience and every time I see who clubs signed from the UK I just shudder rob earnshaw and Kevin Doyle they are finished championship players at best even the star players are here for their last pay day.the academies is the way forward but if they produce will the players stay in mls or follow the money abroad ?
Mls is being shown on sky over here and I think it importance is crucial in how mls develops as a world league.
At the moment there are more questions than answers weather mls will break thro or just plod along in the us.
I hope it does and with the clubs owners I think it stands the best chance its ever going to get
 
typicalcity said:
Still in shock at 162 games lol
I absolutely love my football but my season ticket for 19 league games is enough its a relief when we get drawn away from home in the cup.
Believe it or not I read sports newspaper's 24/7 in the UK and if you offered me $1 m I couldn't name a NFL or baseball player honestly.except the one that married Marilyn Monroe.
I can see football growing in the states but what would worry me as an owner is 15,000 season tickets is fantastic but on the scheme of things going forward is that going to make big bucks for the owners?
Will TV money in the states make them big money ?
To grow mls its got to grow a world wide audience and every time I see who clubs signed from the UK I just shudder rob earnshaw and Kevin Doyle they are finished championship players at best even the star players are here for their last pay day.the academies is the way forward but if they produce will the players stay in mls or follow the money abroad ?
Mls is being shown on sky over here and I think it importance is crucial in how mls develops as a world league.
At the moment there are more questions than answers weather mls will break thro or just plod along in the us.
I hope it does and with the clubs owners I think it stands the best chance its ever going to get
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15,000 season tickets is a base. You've got group of fans in the door. Now, give them a good experience, have them tell their friends, loan out tickets to a match or two to people who then get hooked, and you have the beginnings of a vibrant and growing fan base. the tickets by themselves won't make huge money, but those ticket holders buy merchandise, concessions, etc. that the club makes more money off of. They then watch away games on TV, and the club makes money there.

But yes, if the TV contract comes in line with other sports contracts, MLS can increase their earnings substantially. I don't think they need a worldwide audience to do so, although contracts with Sky and others certainly don't hurt. As long as the US viewers are tuning in, that will do the trick.

You talk about the stars being here for the last pay day, but the way to attract better talent is more money. To get more money, you need better quality. For quality you need...better talent. So MLS has done limited investing in stars (I'd quibble with the last pay day; they get starting time but it's not a cakewalk like Xavi in Qatar) to get more people into the stands, which generates more revenues, which MLS can re-invest in better quality talent all around. It's not a process that will go as quickly as people like, but growth is steadily happening.
 
MikeDatTiger said:
15,000 season tickets is a base. You've got group of fans in the door. Now, give them a good experience, have them tell their friends, loan out tickets to a match or two to people who then get hooked, and you have the beginnings of a vibrant and growing fan base. the tickets by themselves won't make huge money, but those ticket holders buy merchandise, concessions, etc. that the club makes more money off of. They then watch away games on TV, and the club makes money there.

But yes, if the TV contract comes in line with other sports contracts, MLS can increase their earnings substantially. I don't think they need a worldwide audience to do so, although contracts with Sky and others certainly don't hurt. As long as the US viewers are tuning in, that will do the trick.

You talk about the stars being here for the last pay day, but the way to attract better talent is more money. To get more money, you need better quality. For quality you need...better talent. So MLS has done limited investing in stars (I'd quibble with the last pay day; they get starting time but it's not a cakewalk like Xavi in Qatar) to get more people into the stands, which generates more revenues, which MLS can re-invest in better quality talent all around. It's not a process that will go as quickly as people like, but growth is steadily happening.
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15,000 is a great starting point ,but once you have brought your intital merchandise they are going to be realiant on match day fans which is going to be driven by success on the pitch.
I totally get at this point buying the name players to get the interest in ,its an on going cycle.
On the plus side at least you got villa and lampard I carnt imagine how a club would try to sell players like earnshaw,Doyle,ridewell etc as star players
 
MikeDatTiger said:
Why thank you very much.

I think first of all, I think NYCFC for all their missteps have a very good crew behind the scenes. You don't luck into 15k season tickets for MLS, even with CFG's money. So I seem them continuing to grow the market and their fan base. With the addition of a stadium and some on the field success, that profile will only grow especially in the country's biggest market.

As for MLS as a whole, attendance has gotten better but TV has always lagged. TV is the big generator in value in sports (as the Premier League knows very well). With MLS cultivating young professionals and tapping into Hispanic audiences, MLS presents attractive demographics. I believe the TV ratings will only increase and this will substantially increase the value of MLS franchises.

As to baseball, the experience of going to baseball games and soccer matches are very different. Baseball is a very leisurely experience. You go to the game with a buddy and talk about the players, team, life, etc. while the game is going on, cheering at the relevant times. There's a lot of dead space, so 81 games doesn't mean you get drunk and cheer as intense as you would for soccer.

Also worth noting that very frequently these season tickets are not bought by individuals or by individuals for them alone. Often business will buy them with a thought of taking clients in town out to games or giving some games out to employees as rewards. As for clients, the leisurely nature I described above works very well for charming a client and throwing in some business talk, not to mention even clients who don't like baseball will be willing to go to a game at Yankee Stadium just for the experience of it.

I imagine what I just described is absolutely foreign and/or horrifying to a football supporter in Manchester.
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The leisurely ramble and all day experience pretty much sums up the cricket experience.

Although that is regarded as a marathon drinking session as opposed to the 200m of football drinking.
 
What do Forbes take into consideration when working at a teams value? I would have thought revenue was the most important factor but I'm not sure, NY Yankees and Real Madrid had a similar value but Madrid's revenue was $800m and the Yankees was $500m.
 
Calmness Personified said:
What do Forbes take into consideration when working at a teams value? I would have thought revenue was the most important factor but I'm not sure, NY Yankees and Real Madrid had a similar value but Madrid's revenue was $800m and the Yankees was $500m.
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Did you read the original article linked in the first post of the thread? It's set forth in the last paragraph.
 
Some of those regional TV deals are pretty amazing.

I did read an article recently that said MLB had lost interest on a national level, people aren't watching baseball unless their team is involved, (unlike the nfl) but was extremely strong at regional level.

I would think MLS could one day be the same. I don't think it will be popular at the national level but will be at a regional level. I think that's the best it could hope for and the USMNT will be the team that gets the support at a national level.
 
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