2017 Projecting By The Numbers and Chasing A Narrative

Another thing about 538 is how they account for new players. They adjust for offseason roster changes based on net transfer fees paid. That's a crude weapon in Europe, and it probably has next to no meaning here (assuming they can even get the data).

Another issue is that so many MLS players come mid-season. Chanot joined us mid-season, and played very few games after that. So, our defensive stats for 2016 really don't include him, and I would expect that our off season roster moves don't account for him either.
 
Based on our performance this year, 538 improved our defensive SPI from 'below average' to 'average' after the Dallas game -- that change moved us to project out to 4th in the MLS with a 7% chance of winning the MLS Cup.

Interestingly the model predicts a 41% chance for an NYCFC win on Wednesday which is really high for an away team.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/mls/?ex_cid=rrpromo
 
By the way, I checked 538's predictions for our upcoming games, and they are not bullish to say the least. Dallas has a 53% chance of an outright win on Sunday, we and RSL are equal to win at 37% each on Wednesday, and Orlando has a 45% chance to win (vs. 30% for us) the following weekend.

Their predictions take into account home field advantage as well as days of rest, so both of those work against us.

I ran the various scenarios in a quick spreadsheet. Our expected points from the next three games are 3.43, with the most likely point total being 4 points (20.6%). We are only 2.4% to win all 3 games, 21.0% to win at least 2 games, and 65.6% to win at least 1 game.

Based on our one result, and 538s updated ratings, our expected points from this 3 game stretch are now 4.72, with our most likely outcome being 4 points (28.6%). We have a 13.1% of winning both of the next 2 games, and getting 7 points. We have a 14.5% chance of losing both of the next 2 games and getting 1 point.

If we want to extend this to the full 4-game road trip, our expected points are not much better at 4.85, with our most likely outcome being 5 points (21.4%). We have a 26.8% chance of getting at least 7 points and a 27.3% chance of 3 points or fewer.

After this 4-game stretch, we will have played 5 home and 8 away games and be starting a stretch of 4 out of 5 and 6 out of 8 at home.
 
Based on our one result, and 538s updated ratings, our expected points from this 3 game stretch are now 4.72, with our most likely outcome being 4 points (28.6%). We have a 13.1% of winning both of the next 2 games, and getting 7 points. We have a 14.5% chance of losing both of the next 2 games and getting 1 point.

If we want to extend this to the full 4-game road trip, our expected points are not much better at 4.85, with our most likely outcome being 5 points (21.4%). We have a 26.8% chance of getting at least 7 points and a 27.3% chance of 3 points or fewer.

After this 4-game stretch, we will have played 5 home and 8 away games and be starting a stretch of 4 out of 5 and 6 out of 8 at home.

And we'll have Yangel back ;)
 
Based on our one result, and 538s updated ratings, our expected points from this 3 game stretch are now 4.72, with our most likely outcome being 4 points (28.6%). We have a 13.1% of winning both of the next 2 games, and getting 7 points. We have a 14.5% chance of losing both of the next 2 games and getting 1 point.

If we want to extend this to the full 4-game road trip, our expected points are not much better at 4.85, with our most likely outcome being 5 points (21.4%). We have a 26.8% chance of getting at least 7 points and a 27.3% chance of 3 points or fewer.
How are you combining probable outcomes for multiple games to get these likely projected point totals?
 
Interestingly the model predicts a 41% chance for an NYCFC win on Wednesday which is really high for an away team.

I thought that might have more to do with RSL than us but this is the only one of their home games in the next two months where the Away team has a better chance of winning than RSL does.
 
It's been two weeks since the last update. I didn't do one last week because drawing on the road against Dallas told us very little, and it seemed more appropriate to treat the Dallas-RSL-Orlando road swing in 8 days as one set even though they were part of separate MLS weeks. Bit with a bad loss and a great win, we are still in a very similar spot.
NYC's PPG dropped from 1.78 to 1.67. Four points from 9 on the road is acceptable but not good.

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Let's look at the West table for comparison.

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There is only one spot on these tables where the West is better than the east and it is the projected final playoff spot where Vancouver projects to 49 and Atlanta to 46. Probably a quirk and barring a change in inter conference play form the playoff line in the East should be higher than the West.
The bottom teams in the East are showing much better quality than their West counterparts.

Inefficiencies
As has been noted in the 2017 Stats Thread, NYC leads the league in Goal Differential per game. NYC is one of 3 teams to be giving up less than one goal per game (Dallas and SKC are the others). NYC has never given up more than 2 goals in a game. Oddly, however, NYC has only 3 clean sheets. For comparison, Philadelphia has allowed 2 more goals in total with but has 5 clean sheets. NYS is second for goals scored. Atlanta is first with game in hand. NYC is tied for actual total GD with Toronto.

Yet the points do not reflect this apparent dominance. Here's how:

NYC's GD in its 3 shutouts is +9, leaving a total GD of 0 in the remaining 9 games. that is not efficient at all. Even considering the 0 GD, a record of 3-4-2 is not particularly fortunate.
NYC has only gave up 2 goals 4 times. And has only scored 1 goal itself 4 times. Three of those four separate instances overlapped for a 2-1 loss. The others were 3-2 win over Columbus and 1-1 draw with Montreal. The only other single goal win was 2-1 over San Jose.

There is no reason to expect this trend to continue, but in a season with only 32 games, there is no reason to expect it to right itself either. But if the team is going to finish at or near the top of the East, it will have to improve.

Mikey and the Cards

Mikey Lopez's reputation as a yellow card machine is well warranted. He had 6 yellow cards last year in only 672 minutes. His one yellow per every 113 minute pace was highest among players with more than 200 minutes or more than 2 cards.

But he had no straight reds, and he never got two yellows in one game. He got his fifth yellow on May 21 during RBW, then only got one more yellow all year, on July 17 against Montreal. After that 7 appearances, no starts, 110 minutes. Three of his six yellows came in the first half of a game he started and played 78, 90 and 90 minutes an dhe manages not to get a second.

He also never had a red while playing for SKC, about 960 minutes. He has no red cards in his MLS career. So his other reputation as a red card waiting to happen only works in the sense, that, yes, eventually one can expect any streak to end. But his record is not that of a red card magnet. If he plays substantial minutes and does not drop his pace he will, however, see 1 or more suspensions this year for accumulation.

Possession
Average possession in NYC's 6 wins, 56.0%
Average possession in the 4 losses, 63.7%
Draws 58.4%.

Make of that what you will.

Charts
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The divergence between this year's Goal Differential compared to last year, and other metrics compared to last year, is considerable. If you are disappointed that the results do not seem to match the team's improvement that is why.

What if:

Here are some projected results based on possible finishes over the remaining 22 games, regardless of likelihood.
13-5-4 63
11-6-5 58
10-7-5 55
9-7-6 53
8-8-6 50
7-8-7 48
8-12-2 46
7-13-2 43
6-14-2 40

Really I think the team needs to improve at home. 3-1-1 is fine but not what is needed to finish with an elite record. I would like to see them win 9 of remaining 12 at home and another 3 or 4 on the road. That should put them in the 60+ point range.
 
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It's been two weeks since the last update. I didn't do one last week because drawing on the road against Dallas told us very little, and it seemed more appropriate to treat the Dallas-RSL-Orlando road swing in 8 days as one set even though they were part of separate MLS weeks. Bit with a bad loss and a great win, we are still in a very similar spot.
NYC's PPG dropped from 1.78 to 1.67. Four points from 9 on the road is acceptable but not good.

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Let's look at the West table for comparison.

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There is only one spot on these tables where the West is better than the east and it is the projected final playoff spot where Vancouver projects to 49 and Atlanta to 46. Probably a quirk and barring a change in inter conference play form the playoff line in the East should be higher than the West.
The bottom teams in the East are showing much better quality than their West counterparts.

Inefficiencies
As has been noted in the 2017 Stats Thread, NYC leads the league in Goal Differential per game. NYC is one of 3 teams to be giving up less than one goal per game (Dallas and SKC are the others). Oddly, NYC has only 3 shutouts in 12 games, and has never gave up more than 2. Oddly, however, NYC has only 3 clean sheets. For comparison, Philadelphia has allowed 2 more goals in total with but has 5 clean sheets. NYS is second for goals scored. Atlanta is first with game in hand. NYC is tied for actual total GD with Toronto.

Yet the points do not reflect this apparent dominance. Here's how:

NYC's GD in its 3 shutouts is +9, leaving a total GD of 0 in the remaining 9 games. that is not efficient at all. Even considering the 0 GD, a record of 3-4-2 is not particularly fortunate.
NYC has only gave up 2 goals 4 times. And has only scored 1 goal itself 4 times. Three of those four separate instances overlapped for a 2-1 loss. The others were 3-2 win over Columbus and 1-1 draw with Montreal. The only other single goal win was 2-1 over San Jose.

There is no reason to expect this trend to continue, but in a season with only 32 games, there is no reason to expect it to right itself either. But if the team is going to finish at or near the top of the East, it will have to improve.

Mikey and the Cards

Mikey Lopez's reputation as a yellow card machine is well warranted. He had 6 yellow cards last year in only 672 minutes. His one yellow per every 113 minute pace was highest among players with more than 200 minutes or more than 2 cards.

But he had no straight reds, and he never got two yellows in one game. He got his fifth yellow on May 21 during RBW, then only got one more yellow all year, on July 17 against Montreal. After that 7 appearances, no starts, 110 minutes. Three of his six yellows came in the first half of a game he started and played 78, 90 and 90 minutes an dhe manages not to get a second.

He also never had a red while playing for SKC, about 960 minutes. He has no red cards in his MLS career. So his other reputation as a red card waiting to happen only works in the sense, that, yes, eventually one can expect any streak to end. But his record is not that of a red card magnet. If he plays substantial minutes and does not drop his pace he will, however, see 1 or more suspensions this year for accumulation.

Possession
Average possession in NYC's 6 wins, 56.0%
Average possession in the 4 losses, 63.7%
Draws 58.4%.

Make of that what you will.

Charts
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The divergence between this year's Goal Differential compared to last year, and other metrics compared to last year, is considerable. If you are disappointed that the results do not seem to match the team's improvement that is why.

What if:

Here are some projected results based on possible finishes over the remaining 22 games, regardless of likelihood.
13-5-4 63
11-6-5 58
10-7-5 55
9-7-6 53
8-8-6 50
7-8-7 48
8-12-2 46
7-13-2 43
6-14-2 40

Really I think the team needs to improve at home. 3-1-1 is fine but not what is needed to finish with an elite record. I would like to see them win 9 of remaining 12 at home and another 3 or 4 on the road. That should put them in the 60+ point range.


Interesting how PPG has stabilized and stayed constant at the same point in past two years,.
 
I think it's going to be between TFC, NYC, and CHI for the top two seeds.

DEPTH: TFC, NYC, CHI
ATTACK: NYC, CHI, TOR (Health concerns for Gio, Jozy)
DEFENSE: NYC, TOR, CHI
 
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I think it's going to be between TFC, NYC, and CHI for the top two seeds.

DEPTH: TFC, NYC, CHI
ATTACK: NYC, CHI, TOR (Health concerns for Gio, Jozy)
DEFENSE: NYC, TOR, CHI
If our starters get injured in droves, we're fcked
 
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I think it's going to be between TFC, NYC, and CHI for the top two seeds.

DEPTH: TFC, NYC, CHI
ATTACK: NYC, CHI, TOR (Health concerns for Gio, Jozy)
DEFENSE: NYC, TOR, CHI
I think Chicago will be in the playoffs this year, but I don't see them really fighting for a top-2 seed. They've been great at home, but crap on the road at this point and have played even games to this point both home and away (while we have played 5 at home and 7 away).

There are two stretches Chicago has coming up that I think are crucial for them. The first starts Thursday and still includes a bunch of home games, but against some better teams than they've faced so far (outside of Columbus earlier and an out-of-form Seattle):
Home against Dallas
At Orlando
Home against Atlanta
At NER
Home against Orlando

Shortly after that they have a brutal road game stretch with 5/6 on the road:
At Portland
At NYCFC
At SKC
Home against NER
At Columbus
At Montreal

I do think Chicago is a talented team, but I'm seeing them much more as a 3/4 seed, at least until I see how they handle these two stretches.
 
I think Chicago will be in the playoffs this year, but I don't see them really fighting for a top-2 seed. They've been great at home, but crap on the road at this point and have played even games to this point both home and away (while we have played 5 at home and 7 away).

There are two stretches Chicago has coming up that I think are crucial for them. The first starts Thursday and still includes a bunch of home games, but against some better teams than they've faced so far (outside of Columbus earlier and an out-of-form Seattle):
Home against Dallas
At Orlando
Home against Atlanta
At NER
Home against Orlando

Shortly after that they have a brutal road game stretch with 5/6 on the road:
At Portland
At NYCFC
At SKC
Home against NER
At Columbus
At Montreal

I do think Chicago is a talented team, but I'm seeing them much more as a 3/4 seed, at least until I see how they handle these two stretches.
They have beaten the shitty RSL, Columbus, shitty NE, 8th place seattle, shitty colorado and shitty DC

That's one good win, lets not crown them yet.
 
They have beaten the shitty RSL, Columbus, shitty NE, 8th place seattle, shitty colorado and shitty DC

That's one good win, lets not crown them yet.

Should we crown them real contenders at this point for the cup? No, they're not really complete enough as a team for that. If they do something big in the summer in terms of their DP3 spot we might change that evaluation.

But should we consider them to be contenders for the playoff spots, yes, yes we should. The point value equivalent of 15 wins is generally good enough to secure a playoff spot in MLS and they've got a point value value equivalent to 7 wins about 1/3 of the way through the season. They haven't played and beaten elite teams yet so we don't really know whats going to happen, but if they can win their games against the lower half of the table, as they have been, that's going to get you into the playoffs.
 
Should we crown them real contenders at this point for the cup? No, they're not really complete enough as a team for that. If they do something big in the summer in terms of their DP3 spot we might change that evaluation.

But should we consider them to be contenders for the playoff spots, yes, yes we should. The point value equivalent of 15 wins is generally good enough to secure a playoff spot in MLS and they've got a point value value equivalent to 7 wins about 1/3 of the way through the season. They haven't played and beaten elite teams yet so we don't really know whats going to happen, but if they can win their games against the lower half of the table, as they have been, that's going to get you into the playoffs.
That's kind of what I'm saying. I think they are definitely playoff contenders, but I'm not sure if they are challengers yet for top 2 in the East. That said, how they perform with these stretches coming up can definitely change my mind.
 
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There are so many shitty teams in the league, anyone decent should get into the playoffs. That's not a high bar.
 
Toronto and NYCFC are the class of the East. Its just a matter of time before the separation with the rest of the conference in the standings occurs.

Orlando is the Philadelphia Union of 2017 (remember their great start and 6th seed?)

New England is a dangerous team. They have stretches where they play at our level. There is going to be a tight battle for the 4-6 seeds.

Bottom line is that nobody is going to be challenging us and Toronto for the top 2 seeds in the East.