2018 Forum H2H League & Pigeon Cup

[LionNYC]

So last week I grabbed PC early in the week to throw on my bench as a cheap sub defender. I didn't pay attention to the Disco Review and that he was suspended for another game so he stayed on my roster. And since I picked him up, his value has declined, even though he didn't dress at all.

Going back to the point Rimil made, I feel like those who will do best in MLS Fantasy this year are going to be those that identify the players that are going to get that extra salary bump in a following week and adding them, or dumping those on their roster that are bound to get an extra loss the following week.

I just don't have the time to go in and track all of that, but there's a pretty big advantage to be had there.

MLS Fantasy has turned into a pump and dump scheme.

 

[Rimil]

So last week I grabbed PC early in the week to throw on my bench as a cheap sub defender. I didn't pay attention to the Disco Review and that he was suspended for another game so he stayed on my roster. And since I picked him up, his value has declined, even though he didn't dress at all.

Going back to the point Rimil made, I feel like those who will do best in MLS Fantasy this year are going to be those that identify the players that are going to get that extra salary bump in a following week and adding them, or dumping those on their roster that are bound to get an extra loss the following week.

I just don't have the time to go in and track all of that, but there's a pretty big advantage to be had there.

Rewarding those who keep hitting refresh the MLS pages for news and keep logging in to the fantasy pages to drive up those sweet sweet page hits that advertisers love. #teamtinfoilhat #flatearther #justkidding #thereisnoearthwerealljustsimulations

 

[Sabo]

MLS Fantasy has turned into a pump and dump scheme.

The first year I played, player values increased based on the number of transfers of that player so the key to increasing team value was to pick the 3 transfers who were going to be the most popular each week as soon as the transfer window opened. THAT was pump and dump.

It looks like there aren't going to be players who are real bargains all season long because the player value is much more sensitive to performance than it was before. The undervalued players are moving up in value quickly to what they should be these early weeks. There are also going to be weeks later in the season where the fantasy studs don't do well and top team values drop $3M instead of $1M

 

[FredMertz]

So last week I grabbed PC early in the week to throw on my bench as a cheap sub defender. I didn't pay attention to the Disco Review and that he was suspended for another game so he stayed on my roster. And since I picked him up, his value has declined, even though he didn't dress at all.

Going back to the point Rimil made, I feel like those who will do best in MLS Fantasy this year are going to be those that identify the players that are going to get that extra salary bump in a following week and adding them, or dumping those on their roster that are bound to get an extra loss the following week.

I just don't have the time to go in and track all of that, but there's a pretty big advantage to be had there.

Identifying players that are likely to increase in value is the same as identifying players that you think are going to do well, which had been the goal all along, no?

 

[SoupInNYC]

Identifying players that are likely to increase in value is the same as identifying players that you think are going to do well, which had been the goal all along, no?

Well except some of the increasing and decreasing in value is based on performances that already occurred, and not ones which you think are going to do well.

Hence, my PC example. His value dropped last week while he was on my roster and he didn't even make the 18

 

[FredMertz]

Well except some of the increasing and decreasing in value is based on performances that already occurred, and not ones which you think are going to do well.

Hence, my PC example. His value dropped last week while he was on my roster and he didn't even make the 18

That's not supposed to happen.

 

[Sabo]

Well except some of the increasing and decreasing in value is based on performances that already occurred, and not ones which you think are going to do well.

Hence, my PC example. His value dropped last week while he was on my roster and he didn't even make the 18

Did I mention the league settings I put in where you are automatically penalized for picking players who are playing against NYCFC?

Seriously, I think that is a glitch because PC has negative points for the season and would not happen otherwise.

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

I’ve made an effort to bank my salary as the weeks have progressed. Going into this week my team worth was at $107 and change. I made a lot of changes due to ATL not playing and having 4 other guys on bye. It’s very important to use that banked salary to your advantage when selecting replacement players so you’re not losing it. That’s how you can get behind everyone else very fast. My lineup for the coming week is $107 again despite all the changes. So when I drop my players and go to pick up Almiron and Martinez again I won’t have to sacrifice anyone else to do so.
Unless I’m misunderstanding how this all works and in that case fuck it I’m doing good carry on.

 

[Sabo]

I’ve made an effort to bank my salary as the weeks have progressed. Going into this week my team worth was at $107 and change. I made a lot of changes due to ATL not playing and having 4 other guys on bye. It’s very important to use that banked salary to your advantage when selecting replacement players so you’re not losing it. That’s how you can get behind everyone else very fast. My lineup for the coming week is $107 again despite all the changes. So when I drop my players and go to pick up Almiron and Martinez again I won’t have to sacrifice anyone else to do so.
Unless I’m misunderstanding how this all works and in that case fuck it I’m doing good carry on.

You are up to $107 because you are having such a good season. I am at $103.5.

What I think is going to happen and what folks are complaining about is that if you have 3 weeks that are successful as yours a couple months from now instead of the very beginning of the season the team value isn't going to go up $7M, it might only go up 1/2 of that or less.

 

[mgarbowski]

You are up to $107 because you are having such a good season. I am at $103.5.

I’m in 11th place in our 12 team league, have 55 fewer total points than you, and my team is worth 106.7. Go figure.

 

[mgarbowski]

Scratch that. My team is worth 108.1 I didn't see the unused remaining salary when I checked on my phone. How do I score so few points while my players gain immensely in value?

 

[mgarbowski]

Well except some of the increasing and decreasing in value is based on performances that already occurred, and not ones which you think are going to do well.

Hence, my PC example. His value dropped last week while he was on my roster and he didn't even make the 18

Just a guess, but maybe that happened because the extra game suspension was announced late as you noted. Maybe the system registered it as a new red card or something and just docked him and since you had him that week it hurt you?

 

[Sabo]

I’m in 11th place in our 12 team league, have 55 fewer total points than you, and my team is worth 106.7. Go figure.

Must be not as many guys losing $500/week. I have had a ton of those.

 

[Rimil]

i made it my strategy to pick up guys who were in good match-ups and on a roll. I made my list of players I wanted for this week then all ties go to the hot hand cause i know i got that previous week cushion to either support a bad performance or carry over and pay me this week for a avg performance, and probably zero price drop in an abysmal performance. So like i had to keep villalba this week according to my strat. He did squat and still got me +0.5mm rise. Good value for the odds of him getting me real points in addition to bank points. Ellis is one that was tied with a non-hot hand but I chose for the price rise tiebreak and he paid off on both.

where I went wrong and didn't follow my strat was Mata. He was tied with Duncan on RBs. He was on a negative roll with the chance for a good match-up (despite not being a starter, but i was hoping this would be his week), Duncan was on a positive roll with good match-up. Neither had the on the field results i was hoping for (stupid PK vs RB ruined a cleanie) but Duncan still goes up +0.5, and for Mata I ate a -0.5mm. stupid stupid stupid. Follow the strategy man.

I got sucked into thinking I had to spend all my bank on players every week. As if a 4.7mm Mata, had a better value then a 4.5mm duncan. I just couldn't leave the 0.2 unspent. I did the same thing last week picking up 6.0 defenders cause surely i couldn't leave 1.5mm unused. But the price rise for 4.0-5.0 guys is too attractive. Sometimes you just need to leave money on the table to make money.

 

[joe]

Must be not as many guys losing $500/week. I have had a ton of those.

mgarbowski is just trying to make me feel bad about being in 12th.

 

[mgarbowski]

mgarbowski is just trying to make me feel bad about being in 12th.

Always punch down.

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

Thankfully we’re the first match tomorrow. My roster will depend on our starting XI. Willing to play Berget if he starts. If Macnamara is in the lineup I might be dumping all NYCFC players this week, including Johnson.

 

[Sabo]

Hmmmm ... to Zlatan or not to Zlatan this week. If I made a list of players who are likely to score a hat trick on their debut he would be near the top.

 

[mgarbowski]

https://twitter.com/x/status/978460077114839040

 

[Rimil]

I was thinking about the bench the other day and how stupid it is since we have unlimited subsitions and rolling lockouts. Why would the game create a money sink like that. Just get rid of the bench and increase player price (or reduce the budget). So I went to check the rules on the bench just in case and it is explained in the rules that there are autosubs for Did-Not-Play players.......... What the actual fuck. This is so exploitable.

I was wondering why people high in the rankings took giovinco and put him on the bench this week. And why so many high ranking guys started bye week players. Like if they were looking for cash bumps there is easier way to go about it like putting cheap guys on last weeks dream team. Why would they have a 10+ cost guy on the bench for a maybe .5 increase (no garuntee, he’s was in a downslide). And how could a top ranked player screw up so badly to start someone on a bye.

They are leaving high rank players on the bench so that if he had a monster game then they start a for sure cheap DNP player and he will autosub in after the week finishes (or if the bench player is good enough to win a H2H match you take the garunteed points). And if he doesn’t play well then they rejigger their lineups to take a second crack at a higher score (albeit with a deminished budget).

This season is seriously the worst.

I enjoy the ingenuity of people (it is a clever little tactic), but seriously what is the point of fantasy anymore if you intentionally put starters on the bench only to not use them if say they get you a pedestrian 2pts. Of course if a 10+ guy only get you a 2, you put in almost anyone at any price for the chance at 2+. And since you get to look at ever lineup before the game I’m sure you could find a 4.0 guy starting.

Like for example if you really thought rusnak was gonna have a monster game this week so you pick him and put him on your bench. He ended up with a 2pts. So now you are in a pinch cause you can’t afford much and you play Ashley cole not cause you want to play him, but for the smaaaaaaal chance at clean sheet and/or a goal/assist. Lo and behold, he gets you an 8 this week. That sucks for your opponent. You should have been punished for a bad rusnak pick but luckled into 6 extra points worth from Cole.

I don’t fault the players for using it. Good on them for thinking critically. I blame the game designers for making a game a little less about soccer and a little more about black-scholes option pricing.