2018 Salary Cap Discussion

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So we used our once a year contact void on Mix last season. It was the obvious move.

Is there anyone this year that makes too much money, with years left on their contract, we should use it on?

Khiry?
Tmac?
RJ?
Wallace?
Maxi????

I think Mena comes off the books completely. Camargo definitely does.

Who will be cap casualties? Brilliant and his $320k to backup Chanot ($380k) & Callens ($200k)?

Does Sean Johnson get this year's annual keeper raise?

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So we used our once a year contact void on Mix last season. It was the obvious move.

Is there anyone this year that makes too much money, with years left on their contract, we should use it on?

Khiry?
Tmac?
RJ?
Wallace?
Maxi????

I think Mena comes off the books completely. Camargo definitely does.

Who will be cap casualties? Brilliant and his $320k to backup Chanot ($380k) & Callens ($200k)?

Does Sean Johnson get this year's annual keeper raise?

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I wouldn't use the contract void on Khiry or RJ. They just don't make enough IMO to do it. TMac I would for sure, but I'm not sure the club has the balls to do it to him.

Perhaps Wallace, but that would be contingent on us signing a DP LW and probably one more quality winger for depth.
 
Wallace is appropriately paid.

I would use it on Maxi (ducks for cover)
I'm obviously not as down on Maxi as you are, but if there was a good plan in place in terms of signing 2 new DPs, I could be on board with this.

I wouldn't like the optics of using a buyout on a fairly productive DP and it could hurt us with potentially signing other players down the road. (I don't think that same effect would be had if we continue to use the cut as we have or on Tommy)
 
Interesting that our lowest ranked RB is also the highest paid one...
Pay scale;
1. RJ Allen- 100K
2. Struna- 75K
3. White- 65K

Ranking*;
1. White
2. Struna
3. Allen

*Actual rankings may vary based off of our own opinions, I'm just going based off of who has gotten the most playing time and favored by Vieira.
 
There is no need to void the contract of a player with trade value. I don't see anyone on the non-DP roster who we can't get value from in return if the Club doesn't want him next year.
 
I agree I'd use it on Maxi. But does the club have the balls to admit their mistake and move on after one season?

Maxi is a good player. But is he the 2nd most important player on our roster? Is he the 5th most important player on our roster? Is he even top 10 if you had a cut list?

Also, is he even one of the top 50% #10s in the MLS. And what do they get paid?

I'd personally rather use that DP spot to take a chance at a youth DP with upside. Ala Atlanta.

With villa aging and the limits of a salary cap, we can't afford spend so much cap space for the value/production Maxi brings us.
 
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There is no need to void the contract of a player with trade value. I don't see anyone on the non-DP roster who we can't get value from in return if the Club doesn't want him next year.

Then that brings the question: can you trade maxi? If the answer is no, we are paying too much for him.
 
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Then that brings the question: can you trade maxi? If the answer is no, we are paying too much for him.
Yes, but paying too much for a DP isn't a salary cap issue. I can't think of a DP another MLS team would want to trade who I would rather have. I will take Maxi over Veron every day of the week.
 
Interesting that our lowest ranked RB is also the highest paid one...
Pay scale;
1. RJ Allen- 100K
2. Struna- 75K
3. White- 65K

Ranking*;
1. White
2. Struna
3. Allen

*Actual rankings may vary based off of our own opinions, I'm just going based off of who has gotten the most playing time and favored by Vieira.
Won’t Struna’s number double next year since his hit this season was after the transfer window - prorated for half a season?
 
Then that brings the question: can you trade maxi? If the answer is no, we are paying too much for him.

Gonna agree, Maxi is the obvious choice. He's a good player but is he DP worthy? No. Besides, why are we only spending $2 mil on a DP? I'd like to see us spend some serious $ on 2 DPs to take advantage of non-salary capped players.
 
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Yes, but paying too much for a DP isn't a salary cap issue. I can't think of a DP another MLS team would want to trade who I would rather have. I will take Maxi over Veron every day of the week.

But look at other DPs in the league making $1.5mm - $2.3mm. Give me one player on that list you would take over Maxi. We can spend the money much more wisely if we use the cut. Maxi was a mistake forced on us by a weak transfer market last winter. We don't have to pay for it 2 years in a row. Screenshot 2017-10-27 09.50.50.png

Oh, and Veron... He only makes a little more than Ring or Chanot.

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Idk about you guys but I'd kill for our third DP to just be Maxi level right now. We'd be the deepest most dominant team in the league if our third DP was as talented as him and not old ass no legs Pirlo. Maxi as a DP is fine. The only way you replace him is if you are absolutely certain you can sign 2 DPs more talented that will start for us game 1 of 2018. Has our front office shown they can do that? No, they have not. That is why I am absolutely against voiding Maxi's contract.
 
Idk about you guys but I'd kill for our third DP to just be Maxi level right now. We'd be the deepest most dominant team in the league if our third DP was as talented as him and not old ass no legs Pirlo. Maxi as a DP is fine. The only way you replace him is if you are absolutely certain you can sign 2 DPs more talented that will start for us game 1 of 2018. Has our front office shown they can do that? No, they have not. That is why I am absolutely against voiding Maxi's contract.

Who's saying void him BEFORE we have a replacement lined up? But if there is a better player (with younger legs) available, do it. Also, I'd rather take a chance on a youth DP (less $ vs the cap) with upside then go Maxi again. We can use the extra $175k in cap space to have a backup serviceable option in case the youth DP doesn't pan out. Hell, Herrera only cost us $125k.
 
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Couple of other variable to think about:
  • I don't believe Harrison has graduated Generation Adidas yet so he likely will at the end of the season and be fully on the books.
  • Expansion draft.
  • Struna's contract goes until the end of the year with option years for 2018 and 2019. Did he do enough to warrant picking up the option?
  • I don't really see a buyout option here. I believe most draft picks sign 3 year plus 2 year team options contracts, so if we want to get rid of Khiry, we could probably just decline his option. PV got a crush on T-Mac so that probably not going to happen. I don't think RJ makes enough money to warrant a buyout, but I am sure we can find another mechanism to get rid of him.
  • Brilliant is totally worth his contract. Even with the addition of Ferraresi, the fact that we don't have a single CB over 400k salary and we had one of the top defenses in the league with some very poor defensive play by our fullbacks should be a testament to the job that the spine of our defense did this season.
 
But look at other DPs in the league making $1.5mm - $2.3mm. Give me one player on that list you would take over Maxi. We can spend the money much more wisely if we use the cut. Maxi was a mistake forced on us by a weak transfer market last winter. We don't have to pay for it 2 years in a row. View attachment 7677

Oh, and Veron... He only makes a little more than Ring or Chanot.

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I think your list shows that Maxi has been meh, but not a failure at 2M, compared to what our MLS rivals are getting for that price. In that list only Almiron, Alessandrini and Lodeiro are better. And I'm not completely sold on Lodeiro. Maxi has been integral to the way we play, and the way we play may be more on the coach than the personnel. The slow, almost lumbering, heavy possession game with lots of lateral passing, that may be by design. Maxi has obvious talent, and maybe he could play more vertically if that were the team's identity. Also, he has the most touches on the team, so he's been given the keys and we've managed to be 2nd in Supporter's Shield standings, with a lot of injury problems to other players. Maxi's durability and stamina are also assets (unlike, for example, Chanot, whose injury history with us is concerning). I'm in the pro Maxi camp. Not fervently, but cautiously.
 
Who's saying void him BEFORE we have a replacement lined up? But if there is a better player (with younger legs) available, do it. Also, I'd rather take a chance on a youth DP (less $ vs the cap) with upside then go Maxi again. We can use the extra $175k in cap space to have a backup serviceable option in case the youth DP doesn't pan out. Hell, Herrera only cost us $125k.

I don't entirely disagree with your line of thought but it'd be terrible business if we find our 2nd DP on one of the last days of the transfer window and then be like, "oh sorry Maxi, you've been replaced. Good luck finding a team"
 
Also, the fact that we don't find anyone who is a consensus pick that obviously deserves to be cut it's actually a positive. Although I would cut TMac.
 
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Couple of other variable to think about:
  • I don't believe Harrison has graduated Generation Adidas yet so he likely will at the end of the season and be fully on the books.
  • Expansion draft.
  • Struna's contract goes until the end of the year with option years for 2018 and 2019. Did he do enough to warrant picking up the option?
  • I don't really see a buyout option here. I believe most draft picks sign 3 year plus 2 year team options contracts, so if we want to get rid of Khiry, we could probably just decline his option. PV got a crush on T-Mac so that probably not going to happen. I don't think RJ makes enough money to warrant a buyout, but I am sure we can find another mechanism to get rid of him.
  • Brilliant is totally worth his contract. Even with the addition of Ferraresi, the fact that we don't have a single CB over 400k salary and we had one of the top defenses in the league with some very poor defensive play by our fullbacks should be a testament to the job that the spine of our defense did this season.

Struna might be dependent on what happens with Fuchs, or is that not happening anymore?