1. Thank you for visiting our NYCFC forum! We invite you to REGISTER and join our growing member base in discussion! Registered members can join competitions and win monthly prizes. So what are you waiting for!? Join us! This is a great MLS community where you can discuss New York City Football Club and other MLS football teams as well as international and other domestic league teams.
  2. Use your NYCFC Forums Credits or 'Dan Bucks' to remove the ads.

    Use Credits or Become A Donor

2019 MLS Kit Thread

Discussion in 'Major League Soccer' started by ferrarinycfc, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    11,452
    Likes Received:
    22,186
    Trophy Points:
    353
  2. Paul

    Paul NYC ain't nothin' to fuck with! Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    1,246
    Likes Received:
    2,132
    Trophy Points:
    253
    Location:
    NYC
     
    Schwallacus and Victors87 like this.
  3. Christopher Jee

    Christopher Jee Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    2,543
    Likes Received:
    6,532
    Trophy Points:
    323
    Gotta applaud the honesty.
     
  4. Christopher Jee

    Christopher Jee Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    2,543
    Likes Received:
    6,532
    Trophy Points:
    323
    Nah they would get exactly the same treatment as every other team in this hypothetical scenario. However their kits would be fire, unique, and probably come with long sleeves.

    ETA I don't even traffic in the Atlanta hate / preferential treatment stuff too much but if we're gonna have a pop we may as well be real.
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2019
    adam and Ulrich like this.
  5. Gotham Gator

    Gotham Gator Senior Member Donor

    Messages:
    8,534
    Likes Received:
    17,011
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Location:
    Bronxville, NY
     
    SoupInNYC, danger, Shwafta and 4 others like this.
  6. adam

    adam Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    6,495
    Likes Received:
    15,273
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Location:
    LBNY
    Can’t stand that dude. But he has a point. Seems like Adidas doesn’t give 2 shits about MLS. I hope the league realizes this when their contract is up.
     
    SoupInNYC, danger, Shwafta and 4 others like this.
  7. Schwallacus

    Schwallacus Active Member

    Messages:
    1,008
    Likes Received:
    2,488
    Trophy Points:
    203
    Location:
    White Plains
    Lack of competition leads to dreary, lazy, terrible production and designs. Let New Balance, Umbro, and/or Under Armour (hell, maybe even Nike) have a hand in replacing this current adidas boondoggle.
     
    Christopher Jee, Ulrich and adam like this.
  8. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    4,773
    Likes Received:
    5,105
    Trophy Points:
    303
    i dont think they added the star on replicas since Seattle won the cup i think, so thats now "new" i think.
     
  9. Shwafta

    Shwafta Regular Member

    Messages:
    1,398
    Likes Received:
    1,829
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Location:
    Long Island
    When does Adiddas's contract expire?
     
  10. mgarbowski

    mgarbowski Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    10,195
    Likes Received:
    28,085
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    Without exclusivity it will be harder to get a new sponsor for Generation Adidas.
     
    Schwallacus likes this.
  11. LionNYC

    LionNYC Senior Member Staff Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    13,937
    Likes Received:
    24,053
    Trophy Points:
    303
    Location:
    New York, NY
    After the 2024 season.
     
    Shwafta likes this.
  12. adam

    adam Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    6,495
    Likes Received:
    15,273
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Location:
    LBNY
    Schwallacus likes this.
  13. adam

    adam Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    6,495
    Likes Received:
    15,273
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Location:
    LBNY
    Now I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. But college tuition for 5-7 players a year, I think MLS can figure out how to replace that.
     
    Christopher Jee likes this.
  14. sundance

    sundance Regular Member Elite Donor

    Messages:
    467
    Likes Received:
    1,511
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Location:
    Manhattan
    This thread, from the guy who designed FCC’s USL kit, adds some helpful context:

     
  15. Shwafta

    Shwafta Regular Member

    Messages:
    1,398
    Likes Received:
    1,829
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Location:
    Long Island
  16. Shwafta

    Shwafta Regular Member

    Messages:
    1,398
    Likes Received:
    1,829
    Trophy Points:
    173
    Location:
    Long Island
    That puts a whole new light into the kit design process
     
  17. mgarbowski

    mgarbowski Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    10,195
    Likes Received:
    28,085
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    I'm being serious. And I think you have it backwards. GA subsidizes the entire salary not college tuition. GA players have to drop out of college. They only set aside money for scholarships for players who sign GA contracts and whose careers don't pan out.

    But still, I agree it's not a huge amount of cash. But the point stands that the program has only has apparel companies as a sponsor (Nike, then Adidas). And if you take away exclusivity it makes it less likely someone wants to step up. It's not a particularly high profile sponsorship, and is most likely a cheap add-on to the overall contract between Adidas and MLS. That doesn't mean you can't switch when this contract ends, and go for shorter contracts as you suggested. Also doesn't mean you can't possibly go to a team by team market for jerseys. But it adds a hurdle among several that already exist, which I expect include:
    • most clubs think the marginal benefits for a "better" design are small; in part because
    • there is no fan consensus except that most fans hate their current option; fans whose teams have Nike jerseys bitch about them, as do fans whose teams wear Puma, and New Balance, and Umbro, and UA; so why should a team do anything but pick the highest bidder?
    • a substantial number of MLS teams probably do better with their proportional share of a league contract than they could get on their own; and
    • Adidas probably pays more for its full league sponsorship -- not just jerseys, but GA, and all the in-stadium signs, etc -- than the separate teams could get from assorted jersey sponsors cobbled together plus one of them becoming a less engaged league sponsor who would not have exclusivity.
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2019
    413Blue, danger and adam like this.
  18. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    11,452
    Likes Received:
    22,186
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Interesting. Still not sure I buy that adidas didn’t have time for a more custom kit considering when FCC was announced - NYCFC got a custom secondary that first year that wasn’t used anywhere else.

    Also strange to think the bigger / important a club/league is, the less chance of being fully custom- which is the opposite of what I’d expect since sales for those entities could/will go through the roof compared to a small potato club.

    MLS has got to figure out a formula to bring in more kit suppliers. Something like allowing a club to bow out and sign their own deal provided they pay an exit fee to MLS for not being part of the MLS sanctioned supplier (because Adidas definitely places more value on ATL sales than RSL so losing ATL would hurt the contract terms), but allowing the club to keep more of the proceeds/sponsorship as reward for taking the risk.
     
    Christopher Jee likes this.
  19. adam

    adam Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    6,495
    Likes Received:
    15,273
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Location:
    LBNY
    I'm just doing the math here. There's currently 24 teams. The league could be at 28 in the next couple years (for sure 27). $700mm / 10 years = $70mm p/a. $70mm / 28 = $2.5mm per team. I think that's not a crazy number to average (No team will get Puma for $50mm a season like Man City, but $5mm for LAFC, LAG, NYC, ATL, MIA, SEA? Why not?).

    Maybe this is where single entity comes into play. Every team that earns more than $2.5mm from their kit sponsor pays a tax on the excess to the other teams below the $2.5mm to make them whole and reach the $2.5mm floor. This may actually be a case of the parts being worth more than the whole.
     
    Christopher Jee and Ulrich like this.
  20. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    11,452
    Likes Received:
    22,186
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Are you sure about the scholarships? I thought that any GA has a pool of money sitting there for them to go back and get their degree at any future date - that was the model when Nike had the P-40 project going.
     

Share This Page