2019 Roster Discussion

[ManhattanValley]

Crooks' latest has some more quotes on the Jonathan Lewis, um, situation

https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/ne...about-the-necessary-steps-for-jonathan-lewis/

Includes two quotes from Ring (!) alluding to attitude and application being behind his benching. And I can't say I can recall a preseason quote like that coming from a team's captain about a young player before.

 

[sundance]

Crooks' latest has some more quotes on the Jonathan Lewis, um, situation

https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/ne...about-the-necessary-steps-for-jonathan-lewis/

Includes two quotes from Ring (!) alluding to attitude and application being behind his benching. And I can't say I can recall a preseason quote like that coming from a team's captain about a young player before.

I thought Ring’s quotes were pretty neutral, kind of cliches about hard work, etc. The line from Dome and Claudio is pretty explicit though. I’m glad Lewis had this camp, at least the club felt pressured finally to say something about keeping him benched

 

[Kjbert]

I thought Ring’s quotes were pretty neutral, kind of cliches about hard work, etc. The line from Dome and Claudio is pretty explicit though. I’m glad Lewis had this camp, at least the club felt pressured finally to say something about keeping him benched

It’s funny. Both the club and the local press (not Kyle) do a shit job generating content for us.

It took a lightly used substitute getting an undeserved opportunity with the USMNT to generate some formal answers on the topic.

 

[ManhattanValley]

I thought Ring’s quotes were pretty neutral, kind of cliches about hard work, etc. The line from Dome and Claudio is pretty explicit though. I’m glad Lewis had this camp, at least the club felt pressured finally to say something about keeping him benched

He's certainly not throwing him under the bus, but he explicitly raises questions about his work rate and attitude in a way that seems unusually blunt for most player interviews. Especially if he did it unprompted.

"Ultimately, it’s up to him,” Ring said. “He has the talent, no question about it. It’s all about your mindset – are you ready to put in the work? Be smart, put in the work, be humble, and I don’t see why he couldn’t help us.”

 

[dummyrun]

Crooks' latest has some more quotes on the Jonathan Lewis, um, situation

https://www.prosoccerusa.com/mls/ne...about-the-necessary-steps-for-jonathan-lewis/

Includes two quotes from Ring (!) alluding to attitude and application being behind his benching. And I can't say I can recall a preseason quote like that coming from a team's captain about a young player before.

Coach: "He can become a top player if he has focus in the training session, in the private life and every single second in soccer. If you want to become the top player you have to be focused every single day in your life."

Captain: "Ultimately, it’s up to him. He has the talent, no question about it. It’s all about your mindset – are you ready to put in the work? Be smart, put in the work, be humble, and I don’t see why he couldn’t help us."

Sporting Director: "I think Lewis has gone from someone who perhaps didn’t take responsibility in terms of why he didn’t play to holding himself accountable now and demanding more from himself, not only in games but in training day in and day out."

Y'all kill me with this "attitude" shit on Jonathan Lewis. Literally nobody has ever said that about him outside of y'all and speculating "journalists." I know who ACTUALLY has a fuckin' attitude and nobody ever talks about his attitude.

I guess you could distinguish between "attitude" and mindset/focus/work ethic/responsibility/accountability but roxfontaine I think these are the supporting quotes you were looking for a while back.

 

[Ulrich]

Coach: "He can become a top player if he has focus in the training session, in the private life and every single second in soccer. If you want to become the top player you have to be focused every single day in your life."

Captain: "Ultimately, it’s up to him. He has the talent, no question about it. It’s all about your mindset – are you ready to put in the work? Be smart, put in the work, be humble, and I don’t see why he couldn’t help us."

Sporting Director: "I think Lewis has gone from someone who perhaps didn’t take responsibility in terms of why he didn’t play to holding himself accountable now and demanding more from himself, not only in games but in training day in and day out."



I guess you could distinguish between "attitude" and mindset/focus/work ethic/responsibility/accountability but roxfontaine I think these are the supporting quotes you were looking for a while back.

Lewis shines for the MNT after being totally shit on by club even though his pts/game was better than every other teammate, and national pundits pile on club for failing to give player a deserved chance to start matches...... NYCFC circles the wagons and puts out rarely heard/uncharacteristic sound bites from sporting Director who never comments and newly appointed captain. Yeah, the damage control is really, really believable.

 

[JayH]

Lewis shines for the MNT after being totally shit on by club even though his pts/game was better than every other teammate, and national pundits pile on club for failing to give player a deserved chance to start matches...... NYCFC circles the wagons and puts out rarely heard/uncharacteristic sound bites from sporting Director who never comments and newly appointed captain. Yeah, the damage control is really, really believable.

I honestly don’t think that the team, Reyna or Ring care much about what pundits have said about Lewis. Nor is there much reason to. Damage control seems like a stretch to me (wadr).

 

[Ulrich]

I honestly don’t think that the team, Reyna or Ring care much about what pundits have said about Lewis. Nor is there much reason to. Damage control seems like a stretch to me (wadr).

Really? All three guys make statements at the same time in the aftermath of a successful MNT camp for Lewis, and you don’t think that’s damage control? The club had banished Lewis and now there’s a public questioning of why considering his ability and delivery, and the team is caught between playing him while making no comment and looking like last season was a poor choice on the manager’s part, and playing him after going on record that his growth is tied to his attitude and desire - which is a get out of jail card for them by placing all responsibility on him.

 

[JayH]

Really? All three guys make statements at the same time in the aftermath of a successful MNT camp for Lewis, and you don’t think that’s damage control? The club had banished Lewis and now there’s a public questioning of why considering his ability and delivery, and the team is caught between playing him while making no comment and looking like last season was a poor choice on the manager’s part, and playing him after going on record that his growth is tied to his attitude and desire - which is a get out of jail card for them by placing all responsibility on him.

I don’t. I think Ring confirmed what many knew on the inside, and many suspected on the outside. I think the chances of Ring agreeing to recite spoonfed statements that he believes are false are zero. And it sucks because we sure could have used his talent on the field. A more reasonable debate would Be whether PV and/or Dome should have looked past these issues because he offered a better option in certain situations.

 

[JayH]

Really? All three guys make statements at the same time in the aftermath of a successful MNT camp for Lewis, and you don’t think that’s damage control? The club had banished Lewis and now there’s a public questioning of why considering his ability and delivery, and the team is caught between playing him while making no comment and looking like last season was a poor choice on the manager’s part, and playing him after going on record that his growth is tied to his attitude and desire - which is a get out of jail card for them by placing all responsibility on him.

And as we often complain about on here, this is the team who epitomizes not giving a shit about or being in tune with public perception or reaction. They are oblivious to it. I doubt Lewis would trigger them.

 

[Ulrich]

I don’t. I think Ring confirmed what many knew on the inside, and many suspected on the outside. I think the chances of Ring agreeing to recite spoonfed statements that he believes are false are zero. And it sucks because we sure could have used his talent on the field. A more reasonable debate would Be whether PV and/or Dome should have looked past these issues because he offered a better option in certain situations.

Ring’s response was pretty damn neutral, and written by the club’s shill. I definitely did not read it as him confirming anything whereas Dome and Reyna were pointed. Not saying Lewis is the same as Allen Iverson, but some players are gamers without being practice whores.

 

[JayH]

Ring’s response was pretty damn neutral, and written by the club’s shill. I definitely did not read it as him confirming anything whereas Dome and Reyna were pointed. Not saying Lewis is the same as Allen Iverson, but some players are gamers without being practice whores.

I read it as critical. He’s being diplomatic so as not to destroy the kid which if anything means he probably has even stronger feelings. I get your position and appreciate that you’re dug in on it, so will leave it and we can agree to disagree. With that said, I want the kid on the damn field.

 

[413Blue]

Really? All three guys make statements at the same time in the aftermath of a successful MNT camp for Lewis, and you don’t think that’s damage control? The club had banished Lewis and now there’s a public questioning of why considering his ability and delivery, and the team is caught between playing him while making no comment and looking like last season was a poor choice on the manager’s part, and playing him after going on record that his growth is tied to his attitude and desire - which is a get out of jail card for them by placing all responsibility on him.

How often was Dome, Claudio and Ring asked about Lewis' playing time before?

The simple fact is that he became a bit of a media sensation during the camp and everyone (of the few who cover the team) is asking about him now, and they answered.

None if them sought out an MLS reporter at a coffee shop and said "hey let me say this about Lewis"

They were asked, they answered. Do you believe they are being dishonest?

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Zero time NBA champion Allen Iverson.

 

[Ulrich]

Zero time NBA champion Allen Iverson.

Cherry pick much?

 

[Christopher Jee]

Ring’s response was pretty damn neutral, and written by the club’s shill. I definitely did not read it as him confirming anything whereas Dome and Reyna were pointed. Not saying Lewis is the same as Allen Iverson, but some players are gamers without being practice whores.

I was really encouraged by Ring's quotes. When he joined, he said he much preferred letting his play do the talking. Being made captain officially seems to have forced him into a zone that he appears to he surprisingly confident in.

"He has to get his chance more often and that requires hard work and dedication and all these little things that come together,” Ring said. “He’s in a good place right now and I’ll do everything I can to support him"

Sounds like he's ready to take him under his wing to a certain extent. It's gonna be interesting to see how this relationship develops for both of them.

Apart from that, I'm pretty fascinated how many different perspectives there are on the same handful of lines. I wonder how the cultural background of the speaker and the reader come to bear upon the interpretation. Also how the way the article is written, with the quotes intermingled and taken out of context and without the questions that prompted them, might shape our readings. Which, all told, probably say more about our pre-existing positions than the reality of the situation.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

It’s funny. Both the club and the local press (not Kyle) do a shit job generating content for us.

It took a lightly used substitute getting an undeserved opportunity with the USMNT to generate some formal answers on the topic.

Him being lightly used was the only thing undeserved.

 

[ZYanksRule]

Really? All three guys make statements at the same time in the aftermath of a successful MNT camp for Lewis, and you don’t think that’s damage control? The club had banished Lewis and now there’s a public questioning of why considering his ability and delivery, and the team is caught between playing him while making no comment and looking like last season was a poor choice on the manager’s part, and playing him after going on record that his growth is tied to his attitude and desire - which is a get out of jail card for them by placing all responsibility on him.

The only reason they're all making comments is that they're being asked questions about him. Lewis isn't a normal topic of conversation in-season because the press availability appears to be mostly limited to postgame interviews when they can't go in-depth on topics like that.

And not for nothing, but Vieira said very similar things when he was asked about Lewis in previous years.

 

[Ulrich]

The only reason they're all making comments is that they're being asked questions about him. Lewis isn't a normal topic of conversation in-season because the press availability appears to be mostly limited to postgame interviews when they can't go in-depth on topics like that.

And not for nothing, but Vieira said very similar things when he was asked about Lewis in previous years.

I’ve listened to representatives of this club evade every question imaginable when asked. They don’t answer shit even when their feet are held to the fire. Hell, I sat in the audience at Ginny’s last year and heard Reyna spew the biggest non-answer about Gio going pro when directly pushed on it. It’s no coincidence that a unified set of statements are made, by an org tight lipped as hell, about a guy the national pundits are championing on the back of another solid set of performances.

 

[ZYanksRule]

I’ve listened to representatives of this club evade every question imaginable when asked. They don’t answer shit even when their feet are held to the fire. Hell, I sat in the audience at Ginny’s last year and heard Reyna spew the biggest non-answer about Gio going pro when directly pushed on it. It’s no coincidence that a unified set of statements are made, by an org tight lipped as hell, about a guy the national pundits are championing on the back of another solid set of performances.

The organization is tight-lipped because they never give interviews. Any time Reyna's been interviewed, he normaly gives decent answers; he's just never interviewed.