Allen Chapman is Crap - Let's Discuss Why
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1. Herrera PK
2. Herrera First Yellow
3. Herrera Second Yellow (Actually deserving of a yellow)
4. Chicago persistent infringement (Persistent Infringement refers both to a defender fouling multiple times, or an attacker being fouled multiple times)
5. Moralez PK
6. Meira studs up lunge at Villa
Chapman didn't handle the game well.
I don't see how the first yellow for Herrera was legit at all, unless it was for consistent infringement, which it wasn't. Not even close.
Yeah, legit is a weird term when it comes to something so subjective. Maybe a more suitable comparison would be the other fouls / yellows / non-calls during the match.
Yeah, he's going to get suspended and fined.
Of course not! There is zero accountability for PRO. He'll probably even get another NYC game before the end of the year.
The only way that is a yellow is if Herrera had made 2-3 fouls beforehand and if the ref told him "one more foul and it's a yellow". None of these happened. The fact that he gives a soft yellow to the SAME PLAYER after he blows a big call on that player (the egregious PK not given) is essentially the ref kicking him in the nuts.
There is no explanation for his decisions short of he was either bought or blackmailed. I cannot under any circumstances believe he called what he thought to be a fair game per the rules.
To be fair to Chapman, when I went back to look for the yellow on Johnson, I did notice him do the following. After Villa was fouled around the 58', he pointed at Villa and made clear that the next foul on him would result in a Yellow. Within a minute, there was another foul and a Yellow was given.
That said, there were several more after that, and they weren't carded. And he pretty consistently handed out soft yellows to us for things like time wasting and breaking up promising opportunities and never did that to Chicago.
That said, there were several more after that, and they weren't carded. And he pretty consistently handed out soft yellows to us for things like time wasting and breaking up promising opportunities and never did that to Chicago.
WOW. PRO are a bunch of morons...
Atlanta United v Orlando City
Bobby Dodd Stadium (4:30PM ET)
REF: ALLEN CHAPMAN
AR1: Kyle Atkins
AR2: Peter Balciunas
4TH: Mark Kadlecik
Atlanta United v Orlando City
Bobby Dodd Stadium (4:30PM ET)
REF: ALLEN CHAPMAN
AR1: Kyle Atkins
AR2: Peter Balciunas
4TH: Mark Kadlecik
So question about VAR...is it the refs discretion to decide whether to go to VAR or not?
Could you get a pig-headed Chapmanesque ref who decides "I know what I saw" and decide not to use it? Clear example - on the Herrera PK, blind Chapman was gesticulating that "he got all ball" when that was clearly not the case. Could the booth say to him "look at it on video" and Chapman says "nope, I'm good"?
Given that you have to be a narcissistic "I'm always right" personality to be a ref, could see that happening a lot.
Could you get a pig-headed Chapmanesque ref who decides "I know what I saw" and decide not to use it? Clear example - on the Herrera PK, blind Chapman was gesticulating that "he got all ball" when that was clearly not the case. Could the booth say to him "look at it on video" and Chapman says "nope, I'm good"?
Given that you have to be a narcissistic "I'm always right" personality to be a ref, could see that happening a lot.
You make a great point. The main referee has final say. The VAR could say, you should review the play, but the main official could say no. He can review the play, see that it's a foul, and still not alter the decision. We're going to see who is a narcissistic in the league.
It's going to be interesting because the World Cup doesn't have VAR yet, other international competitions don't have VAR yet. So if a referee is overly reliant on the system, that may not be in their best interest, although it would lead to better calls.
Was told by NFL referee in a group setting- The NFL actually has a team of people that review every call of every game. If you screw up, you get fined. The amount varies. If you screw up multiple times, you're dismissed. Only 1% of calls are considered errors by the NFL but action is taken when appropriate.
Does the MLS do anything like this?
The VAR reviews everything on their own and alerts the ref when they should take a look at the replay. Hopefully if the VAR guy takes the time to interrupt, then the ref won't be a douche and ignore him. I'd hope that if that happened too often, and the powers that be see that the VAR was right, that disciplinary measures would be in order; but considering Chapman is refereeing again after his clusterfck, is doubt they enforce anything.
Wishful thinking. I haven't heard of any ref ever getting punitive actions from an awful game.
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Don't think so, but who knows? There's the VAR guy on the sideline, and maybe there's a group upstairs that works in committee, but we'd never know unless it's announced.