Dallas Postmatch

[JGarrettLieb]

The team is operating as a 12 cylinder Aston Martin Vanquish right now - in our first season, they were more of a 3 cylinder Geo Metro. And it pains me to think about how many non-contact soft tissue injuries we suffered in 2015. The former S&C coach was a total joke.

The coaches and the back staff are where you can really do the most damage to parity in the current MLS structure.

Some teams, like the Union, try to run everything on a shoestring and have the same guy doing multiple jobs.

Wealthier teams, like us, can afford to go all out and get some really top class specialist coaches. I'm convinced that our S&C coach is probably the best paid guy in that posistion in the league, and probably makes more than some head coaches in the league does. The work I've seen him do has been spectacular. NYCFC can straight up outdistance other teams over a full 90 mins, and its not just one player, its basically every player on the field.

I'd say the same is probably true of a lot of our various coaches, they are a cut above what you see in normal MLS buisness as usual. Just look at what they've done to Ben Sweat over the course of a few weeks of really intense focus. The guy went from a straight up liability to something almost serviceable over the course of a few weeks, he wasn't god awful against freaking Dallas of all teams.

We've got one of the best things you could hope for in a team, coaches who can make players play above themselves.

 

[Ulrich]

The coaches and the back staff are where you can really do the most damage to parity in the current MLS structure.

Some teams, like the Union, try to run everything on a shoestring and have the same guy doing multiple jobs.

Wealthier teams, like us, can afford to go all out and get some really top class specialist coaches. I'm convinced that our S&C coach is probably the best paid guy in that posistion in the league, and probably makes more than some head coaches in the league does. The work I've seen him do has been spectacular. NYCFC can straight up outdistance other teams over a full 90 mins, and its not just one player, its basically every player on the field.

I'd say the same is probably true of a lot of our various coaches, they are a cut above what you see in normal MLS buisness as usual. Just look at what they've done to Ben Sweat over the course of a few weeks of really intense focus. The guy went from a straight up liability to something almost serviceable over the course of a few weeks, he wasn't god awful against freaking Dallas of all teams.

We've got one of the best things you could hope for in a team, coaches who can make players play above themselves.

I do wonder if the lack of Camargo time is because they're really focused on getting him a solid base of fitness before tapping into it? He looks very fit and quick when he comes on, so he's got the game fitness to play, he just may not be up to "seasonal fitness" yet, and if that's tapped into before the tank is full, it'll be diminishing returns with every 90min effort.

 

[Kjbert]

I don't think Pirlo could have been worse defensively than Tommy was Sunday night.

I also don't think Pirlo scores that goal, or creates any extra chances either. So advantage Tommy.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

The coaches and the back staff are where you can really do the most damage to parity in the current MLS structure.

Some teams, like the Union, try to run everything on a shoestring and have the same guy doing multiple jobs.

Wealthier teams, like us, can afford to go all out and get some really top class specialist coaches. I'm convinced that our S&C coach is probably the best paid guy in that posistion in the league, and probably makes more than some head coaches in the league does. The work I've seen him do has been spectacular. NYCFC can straight up outdistance other teams over a full 90 mins, and its not just one player, its basically every player on the field.

I'd say the same is probably true of a lot of our various coaches, they are a cut above what you see in normal MLS buisness as usual. Just look at what they've done to Ben Sweat over the course of a few weeks of really intense focus. The guy went from a straight up liability to something almost serviceable over the course of a few weeks, he wasn't god awful against freaking Dallas of all teams.

We've got one of the best things you could hope for in a team, coaches who can make players play above themselves.

I think another reason we look fitter is that most teams try to press our build up like crazy the whole game. They are exhausted by the half. Dallas played more like us, picking their spots to put us under pressure. Both teams wilted in that heat, but they didn't look as spent as other teams have.

I don't think Pirlo could have been worse defensively than Tommy was Sunday night.

I also don't think Pirlo scores that goal, or creates any extra chances either. So advantage Tommy.

Pirlo also takes that free kick and boots it into the supporters section.

 

[JayH]

I do wonder if the lack of Camargo time is because they're really focused on getting him a solid base of fitness before tapping into it? He looks very fit and quick when he comes on, so he's got the game fitness to play, he just may not be up to "seasonal fitness" yet, and if that's tapped into before the tank is full, it'll be diminishing returns with every 90min effort.

Yeah, combining an assortment of tidbits seen/heard, I think that it's a combo of not being fully fit (he was dinged up for most of his training camp), not fully up to speed on PV's Xs and Os (for whatever reason), and having some relocation adjustment issues. Hopefully, he will get it all together, as he seems to have the wheels and skills to be a difference maker.

 

[Kjbert]

Re: Camargo, reading between the lines, I get the sense he isn't tactically sound, is battling confidence issues and isn't match fit.

Watching him on the field, a couple of things have rung true. He's raw. Reminds me of Angelino some in that he just bombs forward and doesn't understand defensive responsibilities. He lacks positional awareness. As the RW and as the CF in sub roles the last couple of weeks, he reminds me of what PV did with Mikey Lopez last year. Go out there and "chunk" the game up. Disrupt things. Get the opposition out of rhythm.

I think there is a good deal of talent there, but I'm not sure if he is more Angelino/Shannon Gomez or can he be polished like a McNamara

 

[sbrylski]

Re: Camargo, reading between the lines, I get the sense he isn't tactically sound, is battling confidence issues and isn't match fit.

Watching him on the field, a couple of things have rung true. He's raw. Reminds me of Angelino some in that he just bombs forward and doesn't understand defensive responsibilities. He lacks positional awareness. As the RW and as the CF in sub roles the last couple of weeks, he reminds me of what PV did with Mikey Lopez last year. Go out there and "chunk" the game up. Disrupt things. Get the opposition out of rhythm.

I think there is a good deal of talent there, but I'm not sure if he is more Angelino/Shannon Gomez or can he be polished like a McNamara

This might nail it. Vieira has a minimum threshold for playing IQ and fitness levels. If you don't meet it, you don't really get to play. (See Mix, Poku, etc.)

 

[SoupInNYC]

I don't think Pirlo could have been worse defensively than Tommy was Sunday night.

I also don't think Pirlo scores that goal, or creates any extra chances either. So advantage Tommy.

I definitely agree that Pirlo does not score that goal, and as T Tom in Fairfield CT he probably would unfortunately end up taking the free kick away from Villa, in essence, taking that whole opportunity away.

But I still do think he would have provided more value for us against Dallas, not in terms of defense, but in terms of possession. Dallas turned us over quite a bit in the midfield, and I think Pirlo would have allowed us to hold the ball better (yes I know we had a big possession advantage in the stats) and more effectively.

 

[Ulrich]

I definitely agree that Pirlo does not score that goal, and as T Tom in Fairfield CT he probably would unfortunately end up taking the free kick away from Villa, in essence, taking that whole opportunity away.

But I still do think he would have provided more value for us against Dallas, not in terms of defense, but in terms of possession. Dallas turned us over quite a bit in the midfield, and I think Pirlo would have allowed us to hold the ball better (yes I know we had a big possession advantage in the stats) and more effectively.

I never want to see Pirlo take another set piece for us again. Between Villa, Maxi, and Harrison, those are our three. Period. And if they aren't on the field, just cannon it into the masses and hope for a kind deflection.

 

[SoupInNYC]

I never want to see Pirlo take another set piece for us again. Between Villa, Maxi, and Harrison, those are our three. Period. And if they aren't on the field, just cannon it into the masses and hope for a kind deflection.

Honestly, I think I still want Pirlo taking our longer free right-sided free kicks that we cannot go direct to goal on. I feel as though he's shown he can make some good deliveries there.

Direct to goal - Villa all day - though I wouldn't mind seeing Harrison take a crack once or twice with his left foot to keep defenses somewhat honest
Corners - Maxi/Harrison/and maybe a little Pirlo if we draw it up right (e.g. Vancouver game last year)
Longer left-sided - Harrison

 

[Rimil]

The natural position argument and the ball to hand argument does not apply here. That only comes into play if you have no time to react, ie the ball is kicked at your arm, from two feet away.

In this case, the ball travels what eight meters from pass to hand?

You have an obligation to move your hand, it's clear handball. MLS referees are worse than most.

Someone said earlier that he slid to block the shot which would have been a big no no had he slid and hit the ball with his hand. I thought he just slipped. BUT! He slipped because we put pressure on them with a quick counter. He slipped cause he knew villa was taking up a great cut back pass position and he was trying to cover. As the ball is coming in it hits his hand. I thought villa might have been too far for the pass but surely it could have gotten cleanly to wallace who could have opened up his body and placed a shot anywhere he wanted. Instead it bounces up and he has to trap the ball and shanked it when the ball did settle. There is a big, BIG difference of one timing the ball with everyone adjusting their bodies side to side on a lateral pass vs watching a guy trap a ball, getting yourself set and closing him down. Even if he manages to get a decent shot off (which we know he doesn't) the play is effected by the handball.

In what deranged mind should the defender be rewarded for falling in a position where his hand could 'possibly' be deemed natural when we clearly put them on the back foot with the counter and his handball effed everything up. Yeah you could say it would be a rough PK to give but that's what happens when you turn over possession in your half and get countered. When your getting countered and you do something illegal to stop it you should be punished. So frustrating. And if the ref thinks the wallace attempt qualified as playing advantage then he is effing high.

 

[Ulrich]

Someone said earlier that he slid to block the shot which would have been a big no no had he slid and hit the ball with his hand. I thought he just slipped. BUT! He slipped because we put pressure on them with a quick counter. He slipped cause he knew villa was taking up a great cut back pass position and he was trying to cover. As the ball is coming in it hits his hand. I thought villa might have been too far for the pass but surely it could have gotten cleanly to wallace who could have opened up his body and placed a shot anywhere he wanted. Instead it bounces up and he has to trap the ball and shanked it when the ball did settle. There is a big, BIG difference of one timing the ball with everyone adjusting their bodies side to side on a lateral pass vs watching a guy trap a ball, getting yourself set and closing him down. Even if he manages to get a decent shot off (which we know he doesn't) the play is effected by the handball.

In what deranged mind should the defender be rewarded for falling in a position where his hand could 'possibly' be deemed natural when we clearly put them on the back foot with the counter and his handball effed everything up. Yeah you could say it would be a rough PK to give but that's what happens when you turn over possession in your half and get countered. When your getting countered and you do something illegal to stop it you should be punished. So frustrating. And if the ref thinks the wallace attempt qualified as playing advantage then he is effing high.

I'm the someone that said he slipped trying to stop & play the ball.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Someone said in the post match that he slid to block the shot which would have been a big no no had he slid and hit the ball with his hand. I thought he just slipped. BUT! He slipped because we put pressure on them with a quick counter. He slipped cause he knew villa was taking up a great cut back pass position and he was trying to cover. As the ball is coming in it hits his hand. I thought villa might have been too far for the pass but surely it could have gotten cleanly to wallace who could have opened up his body and placed a shot anywhere he wanted. Instead it bounces up and he has to trap the ball and shanked it when the ball did settle. There is a big, BIG difference of one timing the ball with everyone adjusting their bodies side to side on a lateral pass vs watching a guy trap a ball, getting yourself set and closing him down. Even if he manages to get a decent shot off (which we know he doesn't) the play is effected by the handball.

In what deranged mind should the defender be rewarded for falling in a position where his hand could 'possibly' be deemed natural when we clearly put them on the back foot with the counter and his handball effed everything up. Yeah you could say it would be a rough PK to give but that's what happens when you turn over possession in your half and get countered. When your getting countered and you do something illegal to stop it you should be punished. So frustrating. And if the ref thinks the wallace attempt qualified as playing advantage then he is effing high.

Seriously. That one is ridiculous and embarrassing that it was not called.

Law 12, “Fouls and Misconduct,” of the IFAB Laws of the Game, states that:

“A direct free kick is awarded [to the opposing team] if a player… handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area).“

“Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an infringement”

There are two significant points concerning application of the handling rule during the normal run of play. The first has to do with the parts of the body which contact the ball and the second has to do with the judgment of the Referee.

The parts of the body subject to the handling rule are both the hands and the arms, extending from the tips of the fingers to the articulation of the shoulder. The fact that the ball may contact the hands or the arms during the course of the game is not sufficient, in and of itself, for a penalty to be called. In order for a violation to have occurred, the Referee (or Assistant Referee) must have seen the contact and must have judged that the contact was intentional (deliberate).

In order to determine that the contact with the ball was intentional, the Referee uses two general criteria:

1. If the player moved his hand or arm to the ball; or,
2. If the player had sufficient reaction time to move his hand or arm out of the way of the flight of the ball and failed to do so.

There was plenty of time to move the hand and he didn't.

 

[Schwallacus]

Anyone else notice how many players were wiping out and slipping the entire game? Not just our NYCFC guys but a ton of Dallas players, if anyone tried to make a cut they were on their asses. Kind of messed the game up for me, in that players couldn't make cuts or moves they would've on a different field.
It wasn't like the field itself was poor, as I didn't see chunks of turf. Seems like the grounds crew used way too much water pregame and at the half.

 

[mgarbowski]

Anyone else notice how many players were wiping out and slipping the entire game? Not just our NYCFC guys but a ton of Dallas players, if anyone tried to make a cut they were on their asses. Kind of messed the game up for me, in that players couldn't make cuts or moves they would've on a different field.
It wasn't like the field itself was poor, as I didn't see chunks of turf. Seems like the grounds crew used way too much water pregame and at the half.

I noticed it, and also wondered if it was due to water because the filed looked fine.
Then remembered how often that happened at YS last year. Apparently it's how we like to play.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Anyone else notice how many players were wiping out and slipping the entire game? Not just our NYCFC guys but a ton of Dallas players, if anyone tried to make a cut they were on their asses. Kind of messed the game up for me, in that players couldn't make cuts or moves they would've on a different field.
It wasn't like the field itself was poor, as I didn't see chunks of turf. Seems like the grounds crew used way too much water pregame and at the half.

I felt bad for that Urruti guy. He was having a hard time on that turf. Anytime one of our players got near to him, he looked like he tripped and wiped out in obvious pain. Watch him on their goal, looks like he stepped on something sharp right after he passed it. Poor guy.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I felt bad for that Urruti guy. He was having a hard time on that turf. Anytime one of our players got near to him, he looked like he tripped and wiped out in obvious pain. Watch him on their goal, looks like he stepped on something sharp right after he passed it. Poor guy.

He's a funny dude. And his methods are 100% CONMEBOL. While not nearly in the same class as Villa, I think he's possibly the most similar striker stylistically in the league.

I saw him live with PTFC at RBA in the pre-NYCFC days, and he's pretty talented. He's not a superstar, but I rate him.

That new striker Dallas has is such a wreck. Looks great until it comes to getting it in the net.

 

[sbrylski]

That new striker Dallas has is such a wreck. Looks great until it comes to getting it in the net.

I like Coleman. I'm still waiting for him to break out.