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Expansion Rumors Megathread

Discussion in 'Major League Soccer' started by MagnusPax, Feb 1, 2015.

  1. Seth

    Seth Active Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Agreed. Not at all a fan of having the stadium be in not-Cincinnati.

    ETA: And can you imagine MLS playoffs happening there at the same time as Oktoberfest? That'd be killer!
     
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    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Yeah, Oktoberfest would be Wild with it.

    The OtR location would be great on a more personal level for me since a former college professor had pretty much made it his (professional) life’s goal to rejuvenate that district though thoughtful & inclusionary design via multiple organizations and non-profits. He recently passed, and I can’t help but think the district is far better off for his tireless efforts and foresight. I don’t know if he ever envisioned a sports arena there, but if the community is behind it, he’d likely have been too.
     
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    sbrylski Senior Member

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    My girlfriend lived on W 14th St right on Washington Park in 2014/2015. Vine Street is awesome. Very trendy/nice neighborhood.
     
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    LionNYC Senior Member Staff Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

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  5. LostAnvil

    LostAnvil Senior Member Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    this isn't as bad as jumping the gun with the Tom Petty news yesterday - yeesh
     
  6. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    i mean yea....but you have to think they to have their front runners and maybe even a lock but wont say anything
     
  7. sbrylski

    sbrylski Senior Member

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    Someone else put together the net worth numbers to back up my stance on ownership:

    1. Detroit - $5.8 billion+ (Dan Gilbert only, not counting Tom Gores)
    2. Nashville - $4.2 billion (Jon Ingram only, not counting Wilf)
    3. Cincinnati - $1.7 billion (Charles Lindner III)

    https://www.thebluetestament.com/20...oenix-detroit-sacramento-miami-power-rankings

    Phoenix's lead investor is Berke Bakay, who's estimated net worth is around $100 million. Yikes.

    Steve Malik (Raleigh) and Bill Edwards (Tampa) are also likely to be well below Lindner.

    Remember, ownership is the #1 factor. Detroit is a shoe-in. This also explains why Garber has been so high on Nashville as well.

    #2 is a stadium proposal, which is sort of binary. Either you have it or you don't.

    And #3 is financial projections, corporate support, and fan support. We usually focus on this topic as fans when debating expansion teams, but #1 is the bigger controlling factor.

    If you're not on this list, you're a long shot: https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasew...every-american-billionaire-2016/#62dd042237ac
     
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  8. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    i mean was portland/ impact/ Minnesota/ that high in billionaire status?

    thing is that i always say against pro/rel people saying "oh many millionaires will be interested in owning team to promote to first division" im like yea thats great but at the top level you area dealing with billionaires. Can a millionaire make a good team in a "pro/rel" world? sure but it sure as hell be hard when you dealing with others with deeper pockets than you

    as for us seems like we skipped 2 & 3....garber just wanted this team
     
  9. sbrylski

    sbrylski Senior Member

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    http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...-motors-ddot-gilbert-jail-proposal/688929001/

    There are a number of choke points for this deal to fail yet, but things are sure looking good in Detroit. They are a lock to get selected given their top market size, incredible downtown stadium plan, and massive ownership wealth.

    Gilbert is on record saying construction will be complete by November 2020. Factoring in a year of delays, they would probably need two years in a temp venue if they were to launch in 2020. I think if MLS's other eastern selection has an active USL team (e.g. Cincy or Nashville), they would promote that team first as #25/26 and Detroit as #27/28.

    2020 - Sacramento
    2020 - Nashville
    2021 - Detroit
    2021 - Cincy/San Diego/Phoenix? Tough race for the last spot. Does Zombie St. Louis rise from the dead?

    I could easily see going straight to 30, especially if St. Louis revives their bid.
     
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    LionNYC Senior Member Staff Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

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  11. sbrylski

    sbrylski Senior Member

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    On one hand, this is smart.

    On the other hand, make a fucking decision.
     
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    413Blue Active Member Seasoned Supporter

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    It seems like so many bids are close, but waiting to put a piece or two together. MLS delaying things a bit could give them more options, less uncertainty, and perhaps bigger expansion fees.
     
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    Sounds like the cities they want to get in, aren't ready.
     
  14. sbrylski

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    Yeah, I think they really want cities from their "Top 4" ownership groups/markets, in order to keep open the possibility of getting all four top picks.

    I'm thinking Sacramento and Detroit will be the next two, and if Detroit needs until spring, they may wait until spring.
     
  15. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    post WC 2018?

    the tinfoil side of me thinks he is doing this to save face from USMNT mess and then delay till after WC to try and get those casual fanbase back
     
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    LostAnvil Senior Member Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    he made that comment the week before the USMNT crashed out on Tuesday
     
  17. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    lol damn....so maybe there is some truth to that then and we wont hear anything in December
     
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    413Blue Active Member Seasoned Supporter

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    Not exactly Expansion, but close enough and not worth it's own thread at this point.


    Columbus Crew to Austin?????

    (Edit: I pulled the link because I saw it's behind a paywall. So annoying. It was first talked about on the twitter verse by some of those top MLS reporters.)

    I always figured they would be the top target once expansion was done (if it ever is) due to their cheap and now aging stadium. Who knows if this is just strategy or an actual gameplan.
     
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  19. ferrarinycfc

    ferrarinycfc Regular Member

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    Yeah i started a thread about it !! I Should of read this topic first.

    Ill link the article here.

    http://www.dispatch.com/sports/20171016/crew-sc-owner-considers-moving-team-to-austin-texas
     
  20. sbrylski

    sbrylski Senior Member

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    I'll save comments on the relocation to the other thread, but as far as expansion impacts:

    Clears the path for Detroit, Sacramento, Cincinnati, and Nashville as the next four. They have great ownership groups and great stadium plans (provided Nashville crosses the finish line as expected and Detroit maintains momentum.) Surely the runaway favorites at this point.

    PACIFIC - Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, San Jose, Los Angeles FC, LA Galaxy
    MOUNTAIN - Salt Lake, Colorado, Minnesota, Kansas City, Dallas, Austin, Houston
    CENTRAL - Chicago, Detroit, Cincinnati, Nashville, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami
    EAST - Toronto, Montreal, New England, New York City, NY Red Bulls, Philadelphia, DC United

    Twice against your division, once against everyone else, and one additional rivalry game gives a 34-game schedule.
     

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