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Expansion Rumors Megathread

Discussion in 'Major League Soccer' started by MagnusPax, Feb 1, 2015.

  1. adam

    adam Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Not a rendering anymore in Minnesota. And this one is living up to the hype. What the hell have we done in 5 years?

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  2. sbrylski

    sbrylski Senior Member

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    Another thought, if MLS stops at 30 (no Charlotte and San Diego) and LigaNA has 48 total teams, could be to have 8 divisons of 6:

    East: TOR, MON, NER, NYC, NYRB, PHI
    Southeast: CIN, DCU, NAS, ATL, ORL, MIA
    Central: SKC, STL, MIN, CHI, DET, COL
    Southwest: RSL, COL, PHX, DAL, AUS, HOU
    West: VAN, SEA, POR, SJ, LAFC, LAG
    MX North: etc.
    MX Central: etc.
    MX South: etc.

    If the goal is to have interleague play, each division plays itself twice (10 games) plus four other divisions (24 games), with MX divisions always playing the other two MX divisions and rotating through the USA/CAN divisions as their third. USA/CAN divisions play 3 other USA/CAN divisions and 1 MX division per year, except once every five years they play 2 MX divisions.

    Without interleague play, MX can just play a full round robin with all other teams (34 games) and USA/CAN can stick to the above plan but just play the other 4 USA/CAN divisions each year instead of rotating thru 1 MX division per year.

    For postseason, could do a lot of different things from here due to all the even numbers. Take 8 teams from MX divisions and 8 from USA/CAN divisions and play a single round robin. Or mix clubs across borders. Or even play group stages.

    A really aggressive proposal would be to cut interdivisional play during the regular season down by one division, and split the table after 28 games like the Scottish Premier League does. Take the top 2 from each division and throw them in groups of 4 in a double round robin (6 games for 34 total), with the top two advancing to an 8-team finals bracket. The bottom four in each division could form their own final groupings and then have some teams advance to separate USA/CAN and MX postseason knockouts for minor trophies. Keeps every club involved all year long.

    Just more spitballin. Please wipe your screen.
     
  3. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    to me i think it was just Bonilla (liga mx president) speaking about idea as backup if they dont get into the libertadores in 2020 ( with MLS).
     
  4. sbrylski

    sbrylski Senior Member

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    I'm not so sure. Copa Libertadores doesn't really help LigaMX as a whole tap into the US media markets. The quotes indicate they are thinking beyond that:

    “It’s a possibility, a North American league. We have to determine how and see the pros and cons but I think that’s a way to grow and to compete again,” Bonilla said. “If we can make a World Cup then we can make a North American league or a North American cup. The main idea is that we have to grow together to compete. If not, there is only going to be the rich guys in Europe and the rest of the world.”

    I'm obviously massively extrapolating as an amusing exercise, but it's on the table.
     
  5. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    i disagree, if liga MX, MLS is involved it means SUM is involved then they can get rights to the libertadores tournament and having games here etc, and they can make them money that way with media exposure as well.

    granted I'm just thinking out loud, they want some sort of international tournament and CCL is not doing it for them. i just felt Libertadores was first then this.
     
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  6. sbrylski

    sbrylski Senior Member

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    Even if true, why not both and make even more money. The quote was about "stronger together," so why stop at Libertadores appearances for a few clubs? If a medicore MLS and a decent Liga MX merger creates a great North American League, in conjunction with Libertadores appearances, why not both?
     
  7. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    i do think a sort cannibalization effect would exist. If there already exists a tournament with the best teams in south american with best MLS/ Liga MX team. I dont think people would want to see Colorado Rapids vs Lobos BUAP, or even Queretaro vs San Jose. so then its less attractive. thats not helping those teams either really and it for sure not making more money.

    Since we are not Europe we dont have that many leagues or teams to make a good-ish secondary tournament if top teams join libertadores.
     
  8. sbrylski

    sbrylski Senior Member

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    Agree to disagree, I suppose. From an on-field perspective, I definitely think MLS and LigaMX fans would enjoy and turn out for the novelty of the limited but meaningful interleague games, although you're right, some of the less flashy matchups might cut the other way. It would also be better to have the new Campeones Cup played a week after the MLS Final (turned LigaNA semifinal) rather than floating somewhere in the middle of the following season.

    Most of the benefits are off-the-field though, which is why I think it'll happen regardless of Copa Libertadores. Cross promotion, revenue sharing, increased sponsorship values, sharing of front office resources, packaging media rights, etc.

    If they can pull off the travel and scheduling, and MLS teams accelerate the pace they build up depth at their clubs, I could see this post-2026 World Cup set of competitions per club in North America:

    International Competition (~8 Teams Total)
    (4) Copa Libertadores
    (4) CONCACAF Champions League (if they don't merge with CONMEBOL)

    League Play
    LigaNA with limited interleague play between USA/CAN and MEX teams

    Domestic Competition
    US Open Cup
     
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  9. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    i guess we can agree to disagree. I dont see it for the "novelty" feel of it. superliga showed us that, people in liga mx fans did not like those, and i dont think playing on home soill will change that too. i was not really following MLS so im not sure how the feeling was.
    I personally want the campeones cup to die, you have the CCL to determine who is best in region since most of the time its liga mx vs MLS anyway. Even if its after the MLS season ends, that falls right in middle of Liga MX playoffs no way they sending a good team for a friendly cup.


    off the field no question there is money that could be made ( though you say revenue sharing.....who is paying that? MLS can barely get a good TV deal, Liga Mx can draw more but not sure if TV here will want it as one whole package, Liga Mx teams handle their rights each team on their own), but travel and logistics is a real issue and problem. you go mid week to brazil then you gotta play San jose on weekend, that shit is rough travel and cant be underestimated. I think there is no need for added travel and logistical issues on this country thats so big. Less is more to me. This is why i see it as a backup if there is no libertadores at that time.


    each one on their leagues,
    4 or so libertadores
    other 4 to CCL ( like you said, if its still alive, which it should but who knows)

    domestic cups

    EDIT: ok this MLS Libertadores thing seems much more than 50% happening now. i dont know where to discuss details though, not sure it warrants a whole new thread.
     
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    sbrylski Senior Member

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    I'll stop taking the contrary position and end by agreeing with this. This initial implementation is garbage. Nobody will care because it mimics the current CCL Final and is at a very weird time of the year. They have to either go all in with this stuff or not do it at all, which is where our opinions diverge.
     
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    Seems like the road to securing a SSS in Miami never ends but Miami is, yet again, one step closer to doing so.

    Now it goes to the City Commission (which in my opinion will be an easier victory than yesterday’s public vote which won 60/40).

    Only people who reside in the City Of Miami proper were allowed to vote for this yesterday.

    http://www.espn.com/soccer/major-le...n-light-for-stadium-negotiations?platform=amp
     
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  12. adam

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    Gotham Gator Senior Member Donor

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    Meanwhile, San Diego has voted down a ballot measure that would have leased land for a soccer stadium for a new MLS franchise. No Footy McFooty Face in MLS. :(
     
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    LostAnvil Senior Member Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    I'm okay with the decision - having 4 teams in CA by adding San Diego which is like 2-3 hours from both LA teams seemed excessive - there are other untapped markets out there
     
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    Gotham Gator Senior Member Donor

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    Yeah, but... this...

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    SoupInNYC Senior Member Elite Donor

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    I'm sure there may be legit reasons why a San Diego team isn't needed, but I'm not sure that this would particularly be one.

    San Jose is a 5+ hour drive from LA. The NY Metro area has two teams, with Philly 2 hours away, New England ~4 hours away, and DC ~4 hours away.

    I'm not certain (haven't looked too far into it), if the San Diego market would be a good one, but I don't think it's one that would be considered "tapped".
     
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    LostAnvil Senior Member Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    fair point! It was just my first thought when I heard about another team in CA, but yeah, it is a massive fucking state
     
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    SoupInNYC Senior Member Elite Donor

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    I keep forgetting how massive it is, and how populous it is, until you look at some of the lists. The below cities are in the top 50 in population in the US:
    • #2 - LA @ 3.9m
    • #8 - San Diego @ 1.4m
    • #10 - San Jose @ 1m
    • #13 - San Francisco @ 864k
    • #35 - Sacramento @ 490k
    • #37 - Long Beach @ 474k
    • #45 - Oakland @ 419k
    And then I also think (separate point), that if you add up all the above cities, you get to right around the population of NYC
     
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    LeeNYCFC Regular Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Those numbers are a little deceptive because the metro areas are dramatically different in size and San Diego is nowhere near the Bay Area or LA. But in terms of expansion, San Diego has always struggled as a sports town, losing basketball and football to LA. Probably down to it being nice almost all of the time with plenty of other things to do in the area other than attending a sporting event. And Sacramento is a smaller metro, but their bid still likely has more life than the San Diego bid with an existing team and base of support.
     
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    SoupInNYC Senior Member Elite Donor

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    Yeah, those are definitely good reasons as to why their bid isn't as attractive.

    My main point is that I don't think it's proximity to LA should be a reason to discount it.
     

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