Game Of Thrones (spoilers)

Does anyone have any good speculation (either original or that you heard/read elsewhere) as to how the world finds out that Jon is the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna? Howland Reed is the only person who knows (AFAWK) and he has never appeared in the TV series except in the Tower of Joy flashback, and apparently never leaves home. Are we just assuming that at some point things reach a point where maybe Dany is about to become Queen, or having defeated the WW and Cersei, war breaks out between Dany and Jon, and HR finds out, then emerges from his swamp after two decades of being a hermit, says "oh by the way, guess what I know ..." and everyone just accepts it? That's not very plausible. The second piece is his being legitimate, and I can imagine that once the facts about his parentage become known either Sam of Gilly remember the scene from last week, and hopefully they have that book (or can get it again). That I can accept. But I don't see a clear path to Jon's parentage being established. Same for Tyrion if he's Targaryen. I also see no path to him being legitimate.
 
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Does anyone have any good speculation (either original or that you heard/read elsewhere) as to how the world finds out that Jon is the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna? Howland Reed is the only person who knows (AFAWK) and he has never appeared in the TV series except in the Tower of Joy flashback, and apparently never leaves home. Are we just assuming that at some point things reach a point where maybe Dany is about to become Queen, or having defeated the WW and Cersei, war breaks out between Dany and Jon, and HR finds out, then emerges from his swamp after two decades of being a hermit, says "oh by the way, guess what I know ..." and everyone just accepts it? That's not very plausible. The second piece is his being legitimate, and I can imagine that once the facts about his parentage become known either Sam of Gilly remember the scene from last week, and hopefully they have that book (or can get it again). That I can accept. But I don't see a clear path to Jon's parentage being established. Same for Tyrion if he's Targaryen. I also see no path to him being legitimate.

Bran knows
 
Does anyone have any good speculation (either original or that you heard/read elsewhere) as to how the world finds out that Jon is the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna? Howland Reed is the only person who knows (AFAWK) and he has never appeared in the TV series except in the Tower of Joy flashback, and apparently never leaves home. Are we just assuming that at some point things reach a point where maybe Dany is about to become Queen, or having defeated the WW and Cersei, war breaks out between Dany and Jon, and HR finds out, then emerges from his swamp after two decades of being a hermit, says "oh by the way, guess what I know ..." and everyone just accepts it? That's not very plausible. The second piece is his being legitimate, and I can imagine that once the facts about his parentage become known either Sam of Gilly remember the scene from last week, and hopefully they have that book (or can get it again). That I can accept. But I don't see a clear path to Jon's parentage being established. Same for Tyrion if he's Targaryen. I also see no path to him being legitimate.
I think it would be a combination of Sam/Gilly, Dany seeing how Jon was with Drogon, and Bran having "seen" it
 
Does anyone have any good speculation (either original or that you heard/read elsewhere) as to how the world finds out that Jon is the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna? Howland Reed is the only person who knows (AFAWK) and he has never appeared in the TV series except in the Tower of Joy flashback, and apparently never leaves home. Are we just assuming that at some point things reach a point where maybe Dany is about to become Queen, or having defeated the WW and Cersei, war breaks out between Dany and Jon, and HR finds out, then emerges from his swamp after two decades of being a hermit, says "oh by the way, guess what I know ..." and everyone just accepts it? That's not very plausible. The second piece is his being legitimate, and I can imagine that once the facts about his parentage become known either Sam of Gilly remember the scene from last week, and hopefully they have that book (or can get it again). That I can accept. But I don't see a clear path to Jon's parentage being established. Same for Tyrion if he's Targaryen. I also see no path to him being legitimate.
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Kinda think Jon riding around on a dragon may help to convince everybody that Jon may have more than just Stark in his blood. Same goes for Tyrion (if he's the other).
 
Yeah, Bran. I even thought about him and just left him out. You really think Dany and the world will take the word of the weird kid with clouded eyeballs who annoys everyone he has come into contact with lately by saying things like his sister looked pretty when she was violated? Plus he is Jon's half brother as far as they know.
 
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Kinda think Jon riding around on a dragon may help to convince everybody that Jon may have more than just Stark in his blood. Same goes for Tyrion (if he's the other).
What if there's a big fire, say a dragon breathing down on them and Jon emerges unburned? Wouldn't that be a big sign.
At best establishes his family, not his parentage and line of succession.

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Bran doesn't know one key piece of information though: if Lyanna and Rhaegar got married. Jon is still a bastard in Bran's eyes at this point, just not "Snow" (or is he? I would assume, it goes by where the man is from). In the previous episode, we saw Gilly say something about an annulment with Rhaegar. If Rhaegar married Lyanna, Jon is 100% a Targaryen and the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.
 
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What if there's a big fire, say a dragon breathing down on them and Jon emerges unburned? Wouldn't that be a big sign.
Hope that doesn't happen north of the wall because dragon fire melts metal and burns furs, and Jon will be left standing there naked with imminent frostbite on his long sword, and that won't make Dany too happy
 
Bran doesn't know one key piece of information though: if Lyanna and Rhaegar got married. Jon is still a bastard in Bran's eyes at this point, just not "Snow" (or is he? I would assume, it goes by where the man is from). In the previous episode, we saw Gilly say something about an annulment with Rhaegar. If Rhaegar married Lyanna, Jon is 100% a Targaryen and the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

Bran knows everything... he could have easily seen sam talking to gilly
 
Bran knows everything... he could have easily seen sam talking to gilly

No he doesn't though. It has been made clear this season that if there is something he wants to know, past or present, he can and will. But if he doesn't think to dig any further into an event, he isn't going to gain the knowledge of it. Bran certainly knows that Jon is the son of a Targaryen and Lyanna. It is possible he doesn't know (because we don't know) if they were lawfully married. It is beginning to appear that they were, given Gilly's statement about an annulment.
 
No he doesn't though. It has been made clear this season that if there is something he wants to know, past or present, he can and will. But if he doesn't think to dig any further into an event, he isn't going to gain the knowledge of it. Bran certainly knows that Jon is the son of a Targaryen and Lyanna. It is possible he doesn't know (because we don't know) if they were lawfully married. It is beginning to appear that they were, given Gilly's statement about an annulment.

all it takes is sam saying something and bran using his google technology
 
Caved and watched the leaked episode. All I will say is that it will not disappoint. top 5 episode in the series.
You've got balls doing that - you probably also downloaded malware to your computer/smart TV.
 
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