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Wow, the negative overreacting and hindsight bias today.

*looks outside*


It's a beautiful day in this city that most of us have the privilege to live in. We are suffering from some short term injuries and a disappointing and somewhat unlucky result. We get a chance to wipe that all away on Saturday and another chance to redeem ourselves with something closer to our best 11 on the 24th. Imma get outta here and enjoy the rest of the evening. PLUR.
 
Wow, the negative overreacting and hindsight bias today.

*looks outside*


It's a beautiful day in this city that most of us have the privilege to live in. We are suffering from some short term injuries and a disappointing and somewhat unlucky result. We get a chance to wipe that all away on Saturday and another chance to redeem ourselves with something closer to our best 11 on the 24th. Imma get outta here and enjoy the rest of the evening. PLUR.
Funny thing about hindsight bias when it is actually foresight. Read the NJ match thread, it's all right there. You don't play meaningless games that risk your chances of winning real ones. Particularly when, if we won (we didn't), we would have had to play the B team anyway before the Minnesota game. Lots of saltiness here, but I understand that it's hard to admit when you are wrong.
 
Funny thing about hindsight bias when it is actually foresight. Read the NJ match thread, it's all right there. You don't play meaningless games that risk your chances of winning real ones. Particularly when, if we won (we didn't), we would have had to play the B team anyway before the Minnesota game. Lots of saltiness here, but I understand that it's hard to admit when you are wrong.
But it wasn't a meaningless game.
 
I understand that it's hard to admit when you are wrong.
If you haven't noticed, very few posters, if any, would have done anything different last night, so making a blanket statement implying that many on the Forums lack self-awareness is comical. Stop looking in the mirror when you write your posts and take Christopher Jee Christopher Jee 's advice and go enjoy the rest of the evening. But if you can't get out for a beer tonight, DM me at the game Saturday and I'll buy you a beer and tell you with a straight face that playing Maxi was the right decision.
 
Love you guys but disagree. Will take you up on the beer

You like to put words in my mouth, never said that anyone wasn't self aware. CJ mentioned that it was hindsight, but you of all people know it wasn't. It is facinating how angry you get because I want to win an MLS cup and would do anything to improve our odds of doing so. Also, even though "there are very few posts that agree with me" doesn't make my point less valid. It is clear you guys don't like dissenting points of view, it is no surprise that people don't post what they really think.
Actually no, I said your statement implies we aren't self-aware, because you said we can't admit when we're wrong. People that admit when they're wrong are self aware.

I freely admit when I'm wrong, and the choice to play Maxi last night wasn't the wrong decision. If it was the wrong decision, then Mata should be pissed because he participated in a pointless practice today.

I also love dissenting points of view, because when they're backed up with facts and logic, I can learn something. I learn a lot in my heated discussions with mgarbowski and sbrylski among others. I learn crazy slander words from Midas Mulligan Midas Mulligan

DM before halftime and we'll figure out a meet up.
 
It is clear you guys don't like dissenting points of view, it is no surprise that people don't post what they really think.
This is stupid. Plenty of us disagree all the time.

I don't care about your feelings or anyone else's. Just so happens, you're holding a minority opinion. You don't have to convince everyone.

Also, maybe no more than 2 told you so posts per actual point. It's just decorum.
 
Funny thing about hindsight bias when it is actually foresight. Read the NJ match thread, it's all right there. You don't play meaningless games that risk your chances of winning real ones. Particularly when, if we won (we didn't), we would have had to play the B team anyway before the Minnesota game. Lots of saltiness here, but I understand that it's hard to admit when you are wrong.
I admit I'm wrong fairly often. It's the best way to improve one's chances of being right in the future.

There were several possible outcomes of last night's result and setup. I thought the positive outcomes outweighed the negative outcomes by some function of upside and probability. Even the actual outcome hints that a positive outcome was more likely than not - IMO it was a loss due to bad luck rather than intent or judgment.

Probability / luck is a funny old thing that makes fools of the sage and the foolish alike. If you toss a coin a number of times, you may not end up with an even number of heads and tails - that doesn't necessarily mean the coin has been tampered with.
 
For all of you that gave me shit for saying the USOC was a waste of time and an unnecessary risk how do you feel now after a 1-0 loss, Maxi's injury, and a Seattle team coming to town full strength after playing their B team?

Go ahead, have a taste or eat the whole friggan thing..

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Come on now, similar versions of the open cup are very meaningful in other countries, therefore to be a serious soccer country we must mimic all previous traditions and place importance on all of the exactly the same things regardless of how meaningless they are locally.
 
I admit I'm wrong fairly often. It's the best way to improve one's chances of being right in the future.

There were several possible outcomes of last night's result and setup. I thought the positive outcomes outweighed the negative outcomes by some function of upside and probability. Even the actual outcome hints that a positive outcome was more likely than not - IMO it was a loss due to bad luck rather than intent or judgment.

Probability / luck is a funny old thing that makes fools of the sage and the foolish alike. If you toss a coin a number of times, you may not end up with an even number of heads and tails - that doesn't necessarily mean the coin has been tampered with.


First rule of the internet, never admit you are wrong. You're a seasoned Vet. You should know that. Do better next time.
 
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https://www.nycfc.com/post/2017/06/16/injury-report-three-out-one-questionable

NYCFC

  • Suspended: None
  • Int’l Duty: None
  • Injury Report: OUT – D Ronald Matarrita, M Maxi Moralez, F Khiry Shelton, QUESTIONABLE – D Maxime Chanot
Seattle

  • Suspended: None
  • Int’l Duty: None
  • Injury Report: QUESTIONABLE - D Tony Alfaro, D Brad Evans

Based on that, here's the lineup I think we'll see.

Wallace-Villa-Harrison
----Pirlo---Ring---------
-------Herrera-----------
Sweat-Brillant-Callens-White

On Pirlo: We need a playmaker in midfield. He can be a guy that sprays the ball around, and we're going to need that. Play him in a more advanced role and let Herrera be the protector for the backline. -- Herrera was supposed to take this game off after returning from U-20's, but it feels like we need him too badly, now.

The question is whether Pirlo can give us an hour, or if he can only come off the bench in his first appearance back. If he can't give us an hour, then I suppose you have to go with T-Mac, which obviously isn't ideal.

On the backline -- I'd rather give Allen another chance instead of Sweat or White, but I'd be surprised if Vieira makes that change. I also really, really hope Chanot is able to go, because Brillant is not a good defender.
 
Based on that, here's the lineup I think we'll see.

Wallace-Villa-Harrison
----Pirlo---Ring---------
-------Herrera-----------
Sweat-Brillant-Callens-White

On Pirlo: We need a playmaker in midfield. He can be a guy that sprays the ball around, and we're going to need that. Play him in a more advanced role and let Herrera be the protector for the backline. -- Herrera was supposed to take this game off after returning from U-20's, but it feels like we need him too badly, now.

The question is whether Pirlo can give us an hour, or if he can only come off the bench in his first appearance back. If he can't give us an hour, then I suppose you have to go with T-Mac, which obviously isn't ideal.

On the backline -- I'd rather give Allen another chance instead of Sweat or White, but I'd be surprised if Vieira makes that change. I also really, really hope Chanot is able to go, because Brillant is not a good defender.
Minor clarification... last time Ring and Hererra played together, Ring was the DMid shielding the back line with Hererra playing box to box. That's how he got 1G/1A in the game. Probably stay with that arrangement.

Here's a novel idea.... if Pirlo can't go and has to sub out, what about making Lewis the defacto Poor-man's Silva? I'm pretty sure in the u20 tuneup games I saw him play in, he was pulling Some strings from the middle and arcing to either corner to make the centering cross. Let him pick up the ball in a withdrawn position and with the movement our front line usually makes with Villa swinging left, it could open up a lane for Lewis to race straight at goal with the CB shadowing Villa. Even if he doesn't play a lick of D, I'd take his speed and dribbling in the middle over TMac any day of the week.
 
Minor clarification... last time Ring and Hererra played together, Ring was the DMid shielding the back line with Hererra playing box to box. That's how he got 1G/1A in the game. Probably stay with that arrangement.

Here's a novel idea.... if Pirlo can't go and has to sub out, what about making Lewis the defacto Poor-man's Silva? I'm pretty sure in the u20 tuneup games I saw him play in, he was pulling Some strings from the middle and arcing to either corner to make the centering cross. Let him pick up the ball in a withdrawn position and with the movement our front line usually makes with Villa swinging left, it could open up a lane for Lewis to race straight at goal with the CB shadowing Villa. Even if he doesn't play a lick of D, I'd take his speed and dribbling in the middle over TMac any day of the week.
Or play central mid Jack Harrison as a central mid and Winger Jonathan Lewis as a winger
 
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