Jack Harrison [Midfielder]

Not that it's ideal and my memory of how it all works is not great but has anyone done one of those half season EPL loans in a while or did MLS stop that. Didn't Donovan and Dempsey both play a full MLS season, go on loan for the back half of the EPL season and then come back to MLS the following year?

We are stuck in this place where Jack is likely ready to give the next level a shot yet 1 more year of development with us helps as well. Add in that we get more GAM if he waits one more year. Could the half year loan approach be a compromise? Go play the back half of this season with an EPL club, come back play one more year with NYCFC and then move the Europe full time at the end of next season.

Yep. Donovan did that 2-3 times for Everton and played really well (both on and off the field, apparently). Dempsey did it once with Fulham when he was back with Seattle, but failed to help them avoid relegation.

It's about a month or six weeks. Not that long, but potentially helpful to their development and fitness.

ETA: And Beckham did it with one of the Italian teams and then didn't come back until summer.
 
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Do people really think he's EPL ready tho? I don't see him playing above the championship if he goes over there now. He wouldn't go to any of the top clubs and the mid/bottom clubs likely aren't throwing 3 forwards out there as we do. Would he want to ride the bench?
I don't see a championship side paying a lot for him either.
Look at the worst team in the prem, Crystal Palace. Does he replace Zaha? Not a chance. Dyer at Swansea.. no. Ayew at Westham.. no.

I just don't think he's premier league quality
 
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Do people really think he's EPL ready tho? I don't see him playing above the championship if he goes over there now. He wouldn't go to any of the top clubs and the mid/bottom clubs likely aren't throwing 3 forwards out there as we do. Would he want to ride the bench?
I don't see a championship side paying a lot for him either.
Look at the worst team in the prem, Crystal Palace. Does he replace Zaha? Not a chance. Dyer at Swansea.. no. Ayew at Westham.. no.

I just don't think he's premier league quality
I’m not sure if he’s PL quality or not, but I’d wager that if he played for a PL team they wouldn’t make his sole tactics: Isolate and go 1v1. If Jack had a full complement of forwards and midfielders that could make the runs into the box and interchange with him in the corner, along with aerial targets, he’d look a lot better than he does now. In the PL he’d be a complimentary player as opposed to the pressure of being a go-to guy on our team. Remove that pressure and he will play looser.
 
I’m not sure if he’s PL quality or not, but I’d wager that if he played for a PL team they wouldn’t make his sole tactics: Isolate and go 1v1. If Jack had a full complement of forwards and midfielders that could make the runs into the box and interchange with him in the corner, along with aerial targets, he’d look a lot better than he does now. In the PL he’d be a complimentary player as opposed to the pressure of being a go-to guy on our team. Remove that pressure and he will play looser.

We keep saying this and yet he has villa to compliment him up top. Everyone loves Herrera who is right behind him. Maxi is more than serviceable, whether or not you think hes a DP. Wallace is take it or leave it on the other wing. Everyone is pretty high on Ring, so what is the problem?
 
We keep saying this and yet he has villa to compliment him up top. Everyone loves Herrera who is right behind him. Maxi is more than serviceable, whether or not you think hes a DP. Wallace is take it or leave it on the other wing. Everyone is pretty high on Ring, so what is the problem?
Your icon is a Kangaroo. That's the problem.

On a more serious note, I don't think he's physical enough in taking on opposing defenders. The smart outside backs know they can muscle him off the ball or box him out. He needs to learn to mix it up more often when taking on defenders as well. Seems to only have a few moves that he likes to pull out over and over.

The problem could also be the outside back he has with him, whether it be RJ, White, or Struna. Didn't have much time to gel with Struna in a time-wise setting, only had a game or two. White is rarely in the offensive third, and when he is, he doesn't bring anything to help Jack or himself. RJ hasn't played and when he did, I don't remember him linking up with Jack much. RJ tended to run down the side and just cross the ball, not really making any inside runs or creating any interplay between him and Jack.

As an example, look at Wallace with Sweat vs. Wallace with Mata. Night and day, as if Mata gave Wallace some special sauce to become a 10x better player. Wallace's goals in the early part of the year only came when Mata was with him. Mata gets hurt, Sweat comes in, no interplay or exchange between the two. Mata comes back for the playoff game, Wallace looks like a renewed winger playing 1-2's with Mata, creating chances, and almost scoring the winning goal.

Maybe Jack would be infinitely better with an outside back that either:
  1. knows what he's doing.
  2. has a large portion of experience and knowledge playing together.
If that doesn't change anything, then Jack doesn't have as much potential as we think.
 
We keep saying this and yet he has villa to compliment him up top. Everyone loves Herrera who is right behind him. Maxi is more than serviceable, whether or not you think hes a DP. Wallace is take it or leave it on the other wing. Everyone is pretty high on Ring, so what is the problem?
We haven't really had effective overlapping fullbacks. RJ didn't get much of a look, and Ethan is very conservative. I don't think it will open the floodgates because I don't think Jack is yet used to playing with an attacking fullback or at least his relationship with Struna was a little clunky. Let's not forget Jack was a CAM up to his career with MLS. So it will take some time.
 
We haven't really had effective overlapping fullbacks. RJ didn't get much of a look, and Ethan is very conservative. I don't think it will open the floodgates because I don't think Jack is yet used to playing with an attacking fullback or at least his relationship with Struna was a little clunky. Let's not forget Jack was a CAM up to his career with MLS. So it will take some time.

Maybe Jack would be infinitely better with an outside back that either:
  1. knows what he's doing.
  2. has a large portion of experience and knowledge playing together.
If that doesn't change anything, then Jack doesn't have as much potential as we think.

Would it matter? Jack always either looks to cut in one on one or make a pass to Villa. There's been plenty of times where there's other options but he doesn't take them.
 
Would it matter? Jack always either looks to cut in one on one or make a pass to Villa. There's been plenty of times where there's other options but he doesn't take them.
Could be because he doesn't trust his RB to do anything with the ball. Would you rather cut inside, where you may have a 30%-50% at getting a shot or making a chance, or passing it to Ethan White who is just going to turn it over? His lack of decent options may be hindering his abilities.
 
Could be because he doesn't trust his RB to do anything with the ball. Would you rather cut inside, where you may have a 30%-50% at getting a shot or making a chance, or passing it to Ethan White who is just going to turn it over? His lack of decent options may be hindering his abilities.

He doesnt trust Herrera, Ring, or maxi either? or what about a cross to Wallace? I think hes just playing very one dimensional and its not because of his lack of options.
 
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He doesnt trust Herrera, Ring, or maxi either? or what about a cross to Wallace? I think hes just playing very one dimensional and its not because of his lack of options.
I think it's a bit of both. I think having an effective RB may improve his utilization maybe 10-20%. It's not gonna make him the next Messi.
 
I think it's a bit of both. I think having an effective RB may improve his utilization maybe 10-20%. It's not gonna make him the next Messi.
One of the things that annoyed me the most about our last match was all the times Struna made an overlapping run and jack didn't make the pass.
 
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One of the things that annoyed me the most about our last match was all the times Struna made an overlapping run and jack didn't make the pass.
Yeah, I just feel like that's gotta be coachable. It would be massively impactful for the team to have Mata-like production on both sides of the field.
 
One of the things that annoyed me the most about our last match was all the times Struna made an overlapping run and jack didn't make the pass.

Might just be habit, Jack spent the whole season with RJ and White at RB meaning the overlap was hardly ever there or when it was it quickly lead to a turnover where he had to sprint back to cover for an out of position RB. Can't really blame the guy for just giving up on the overlap all together and not adjusting back in the short time he had Struna next to him

Do people really think he's EPL ready tho? I don't see him playing above the championship if he goes over there now. He wouldn't go to any of the top clubs and the mid/bottom clubs likely aren't throwing 3 forwards out there as we do. Would he want to ride the bench?
I don't see a championship side paying a lot for him either.
Look at the worst team in the prem, Crystal Palace. Does he replace Zaha? Not a chance. Dyer at Swansea.. no. Ayew at Westham.. no.

I just don't think he's premier league quality

EPL teams don't buy players because they are ready they buy players because they see potential that some day they will be ready. Add in the english passport as others have mentioned and he's even more valuable. Regardless of where he's at from a devolop standpoint I'm sure there are a number of EPL teams willing to drop some cash to get him rostered. Doesn't mean he doesn't get immediately loaned to the championship for a season. At this point it's a personal choice for him, play meaningful min for NYCFC one more year or make the jump now to start pursuing his EPL ambitions now for better pay, higher level of skill around you in practice and less or possibly no playing time.

Each path comes with a risk. Go to the EPL and maybe the lack of playing time stunts his development and he never gets a shot to play meaningful min. But what happens if he stays with NYCFC next year and suffers a serious injury that sets him back a a season or two, thats a lot of money to leave on the table assuming a move would include a considerable pay jump.
 
The whole Harrison narrative has been incredibly twisted in self serving ways by different portions of the fan base with regards to his national team intentions and his EPL ambitions. Just a couple of examples that in my opinion got completely warped by people:

Reporter asks: would you be open to playing for the USMNT?

Jack's Answer: “It’s always nice to be wanted. I definitely appreciate them wanting me to play for their national team and it would be an honor to do that,” Harrison said. “But that’s something for later down the line. I just got my green card so it’s still going to take some time to get citizenship.”

Translation: I'm a professional playing in the USA that would like to play international football so I'm giving a professional answer to this question to be polite to the fans of my current team and keep my options open should I not get an England call up. He used the words "them" and "their" when referencing the USMNT, if you read that quote and convinced yourself there was any possibility he would actually need to even remotely consider a choice between the USMNT and England if both options were possible you're fooling yourself.

Fan interpretation: OMG he wants to play for the USMNT, how long till it happens......wait he just capped tied himself to England I can't believe he jumped at the chance to play for his home country where he grew up and didn' hold out for the USMNT.

Interviewer asks Jack's mom about why he left Man U to come to the US for boarding school:

Paraphrased Answer: We saw how few players actually made it to the first time that way and we wanted to take a different path because we thought he would get better schooling and opportunities.

Translation: We thought a different path was a good idea but the end goal obviously is still the same as all young talented english soccer players: make it to the EPL if given the chance.

Fan interpretation: He's on a completely different path his dream must be MLS 4Life, no way he jumps at the chance to get back to the EPL and live out his dreams.
 
As an example, look at Wallace with Sweat vs. Wallace with Mata. Night and day, as if Mata gave Wallace some special sauce to become a 10x better player.

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