college is great for the right person. but too many people are going to college that have no business being there. Theres also too many BS majors just for people to say they have a degree that ends up being worthless.
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college is great for the right person. but too many people are going to college that have no business being there. Theres also too many BS majors just for people to say they have a degree that ends up being worthless.
It wasn't a scam for me. It got me into a field I couldn't have gotten into without college. My case is not unique but very common, obviously. I don't even think it's a scam for the people that shouldn't go to college and should pursue a trade instead. That is more societal pressure or pressure from their parents because that's the norm.
i feel there is some NCAA rule that would prevent that ...the whole SNHU thing with MLS is an online program so i guess its "different"
I think the whole point of Generation Adidas is that MLS will pay for their college after they are done playing, so they aren't foregoing a scholarship to turn pro. Of course, they wouldn't be allowed to play NCAA soccer, but that's not really the point once they've turned pro.
MLS has a sponsorship with Southern New Hampshire University. I think any "sponsorship" by CUNY or SUNY would not be allowed. That being said a handshake agreement to earn credits and get a degree would likely be okay.
Although my current profession has nothing to do with my degrees, there are aspects I adapt. Could I have learned those things on my own practicing what I do for a few more years, earlier in life? Probably. But it does help me look desirable on dating apps, so there's that.
I've long said that most of what you learn in college is independent of the subject matter in the courses you take - certainly as an undergraduate. You write a 10-page essay about Upton Sinclair. You may never use that knowledge about Upton Sinclair again, but you are likely to write many more essays on different subjects.
There are studies that show what you learn in college has little effect on your career or earnings. What matters is the degree. What they did was study people who went to college for 2-3 years but never graduated. They controlled for other factors etc., etc. If the learning were important you would expect people with 3 years of college to be more successful and earn more than those who never attend, even though they might be less so than those who graduate. But that's not what they found. Attending 2-3 years of college offers no economic benefit. The only thing that matters is the degree and the signalling it provides. There is also a lot of data showing that most students forget most of what they learn in any given class shortly after the course ends.
That's interesting. The degree is also a sign of demonstrated ability, if not retained learning though, right?
Well, the signalling is tricky. The degree signals that
- You were selected by a school and admitted after a competitive winnowing, depending on the school ranking. Half the benefit of a Harvard degree is it means you got into Harvard.
- You managed to do enough work and show up on time enough to get a degree.
There's a new book out by an economist arguing that most of what we spend on education is a waste. I happen to know about the studies I just mentioned because I just read a review of it a few days ago. I'm not sure I'm fully convinced but it has made me think. An important distinction the author makes is that the benefit of education to recipients is real (if they graduate), because the "sheepskin effect" separates them from the rest of their peers. But the benefit to society is less so, and why should we spend billions of dollars mostly to help John and Mary make more than Peter and Paula? It's interesting and convincing enough to make me want to read the book. I need to think more about the edge cases, and how do you generate continued advances in high level applied science, engineering, etc. You do need advanced education for that, and I presume he addresses it in the book.
The Case against Education: Why the Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money
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A college degree is also often a prerequisite for jobs, regardless of whether or not those skills could only be gained through college, contributing the skew on degree vs non-degree income.
If the studies don't account for that I doubt they would get published.
Also, you're right, but arguably again this is just a sheepskin effect that benefits those who get the certification. It doesn't necessarily signify that anybody learned anything that helps the world at large. We like to think it does, and it might. But it doesn't have to. Or, the income increase could be assigned 20% to what you learned and 80% to getting the cert. This would be the case, for example, if what you actually need to learn to be qualified (as opposed to certified) at the position takes a small portion of the coursework and the rest is filler.
Bingo. It prepared me well to write essays about Maxi Moralez's poor performance as a DP in 2017.
We know it's Gio Reyna. Okay!
Don Garber said we wouldn't announce a soccer specific stadium in the near future. What's near future to you vs. The Soccer Don?
