NYCFC Academy - General Discussion

[Ulrich]

I don't think Gio is ready and we're not patient enough to wait it out.

He'll get two strong years of training with Dortmund and then he'll integrate when he's 18 there.

Considering how good Haak looked in preseason, I’d be surprised if Reyna couldn’t handle 10-15 min at the end of matches. That time, plus practice with the squad would go a long way. Plus, he’d still be able to play with the u19’s - at the practice I attended with the training facility tour, one of the players asked Sands if he played the night before and how the team did - and Sands answered that he had played. So while not 1st team or USL minutes, he is (or was) getting playing time.

 

[Kjbert]

Would you rather go against Marco Reus in practice or Tommy McNamara the next two years?

 

[adam]

Would you rather go against Marco Reus in practice or Tommy McNamara the next two years?

God help us if Tummy is still on this roster in 2 years.

 

[Ulrich]

Would you rather go against Marco Reus in practice or Tommy McNamara the next two years?

I’d rather Gio make TMac look like a traffic cone this season and then transfer to Dortmund this summer. Win/win for him and us (the club). He trains with the big boys for a bit, gets his dream club transfer, the club gets sweet sweet GAM, and the FO sees first hand that a 15yo runs circles around a player better suited for the USL.

 

[dummyrun]

The issue isn't Homegrowns. It's where they play while they develop. Sands needs fucking gametime. The kid needs to play and I hope we're not hurting his career by not giving him an opportunity. He and his family are happy but eventually they have to play.

We've already hurt his career. If I were him the only thing between me and the door would be guarantees from Torrent.

 

[BxLio91]

"Hey kids I want you to sign a homegrown deal. You don't have to go to Europe. My son was different. You're not good enough to refuse a HG deal."


Good for Gio.

 

[SoupInNYC]

He may be unaccredited but he's right.

Happened right after training camp broke. Agreed in late March.

Isn't this about the time too, when NYCFCfan noted that there was about to be news about a certain academy player signing with a Champions League team? (context I viewed it in, was a team that was playing in the UEFA Champions League)

 

[Gotham Gator]

Not just aren't enforced, can't be enforced. Which is one more reason why MLS should be bending over backwards to play its kids, since that's the only way to keep them around long enough to get paid when they leave.

I actually think solidarity payments can be a real tool to help improve the development of young players in this country. There has been a lot of focus on a top down solution - having U.S. Soccer establish proper tools and methods and establish academies and scholarships. But, as a country, we’ve never done well with a central authority telling people what to do. We are too big and too individualistic. Where we excel is in creating incentives to do the right thing and letting the rank and file figure out how to get it done. That approach rewards hard work and innovation. Solidarity payments are a way to create those incentives.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Looks like you're right but I need to read up more.

• http://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1706&context=sportslaw

• http://thesportsesquires.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/1-main-1.pdf
  • https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/texas/txedce/4:2016cv00464/169749/39/)

Got any good links?

Miki Turner is a good follow on twitter and is very active on r/mls. His blog is https://socceresq.com/

There was also a very good in-depth article from VICE last year that was very good. We also have discussed it over the years here on the forums too.

 

[Keith Putnam]

Solidarity payments are a way to create those incentives.

Are the solidarity payments owed to DeAndre Yedlin's youth club (Crossfire) still in arbitration?

Yes, it's absolutely critical for the development of US players for standard solidarity payments to become a source of funding for youth soccer to reduce pay-to-play.

 

[dummyrun]

Miki Turner is a good follow on twitter and is very active on r/mls. His blog is https://socceresq.com/

There was also a very good in-depth article from VICE last year that was very good. We also have discussed it over the years here on the forums too.

I think I found the Vice article you're thinking of but it's from 2015. Here's a better, more recent one (with an update on the case Vice was reporting): http://www.espn.com/soccer/united-s...lati-face-antitrust-complaint-from-youth-club

 

[Gotham Gator]

It's basically the Valencia Academy Director saying that technically the US isn't behind at these age levels. He also says that the next step for them is to have academy teams at younger ages than 12 so they can have more tactical familiarity. This article also really hypes up Mark Cajamarca.

Just checked out the article. It's a good one and worth reading if you have a subscription.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Are the solidarity payments owed to DeAndre Yedlin's youth club (Crossfire) still in arbitration?

Yes, it's absolutely critical for the development of US players for standard solidarity payments to become a source of funding for youth soccer to reduce pay-to-play.

It was assigned to FIFA's Dispute Resolution Chamber. If FIFA rules in favor of the clubs, players union (maybe joined by MLS and US Soccer?) will sue and the outcome of that lawsuit will likely decide the outcome of solidity and training compensation.

 

[Keith Putnam]

players union

It's so fucked that circumstances conspire to make the players be *against* solidarity payments.

 

[Kjbert]

Doesn't the NCAA end up having a dog in this fight too?

Yedlin played one year at Akron IIRC. How can Yedlin be both an amateur and have his rights available for solidarity payments?

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Doesn't the NCAA end up having a dog in this fight too?

Yedlin played one year at Akron IIRC. How can Yedlin be both an amateur and have his rights available for solidarity payments?

Yedlin didn't get paid.

 

[Kjbert]

Yedlin didn't get paid.

That's not what I meant. If players are property, how could he have been a team's property while retaining amateur status?

 

[Midas Mulligan]

That's not what I meant. If players are property, how could he have been a team's property while retaining amateur status?

Doesn’t NCAA determine eligibility?

Rhetorical. Yes, they do.

Good luck deciphering their bullshit. You think MLS is stupid and arbitrary, wait til you get a load of those hypocrites.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

That's not what I meant. If players are property, how could he have been a team's property while retaining amateur status?

I don't see the conflict. NCAA does consider their athletes their property.

 

[LionNYC]

NYCFC top their U18/19 group and advance to the quarterfinals of the DA playoffs. (Only top team in the group advances).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1010327526512693248