Yeah, I've heard it spotty through the couple of games I've been at. I wasn't at either the Colorado game or the first Orlando game. I was worried that I might hear it on Saturday, especially with it being Pride Night, but was pleasantly surprised that I didn't hear it (or recognize it I guess). This article surprised me, but I guess its possible that it did exist in some fashion and I just didn't hear it.ThanksSoupInNYC and
Christopher Jee. I wasn't at the game and appreciate the feedback.
I don't remember hearing it at the previous home game (Colorado), but it definitely has continued to pop up this year.
I am familiar with this and agree that it wouldn't be confused for p*.
Not really sure what this is referring to
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I don't remember hearing it at the previous home game (Colorado), but it definitely has continued to pop up this year.
I am familiar with this and agree that it wouldn't be confused for p*.
Not really sure what this is referring to
I typically sit in 136, but for this match I sat in 134 - the chant was definitely coming from around 134-133. Sound travels so oddly in the stadium. I could hardly hear the 234 "you suck [I can never make out the rest] ahhh ahhh" chant, but the p*** chant was booming and it was honestly only about 20 people.
*edited to fix a typo bc I'm neurotic like that
Allow me to retort. And by retort, I mean go through the first 15 and point out precisely why your post is misleading, to the point I believe it is intentionally so.
ETA: I ended up going to 36 because I just couldn't allow these unjust depictions to exist unfettered. I always take the red pill.
Seth
2 - pressured defenders in Orlando third
Where? I see Out of position, slow to pressure at 2:14. Slow to ball and fouls at 2:35. Spends next 15 secs out of position ambling about in the way of good playerstryung to do good things.
3:36 fails to offer an option when tinny pressured against sideline.
4:00 no idea wtf that was.
Next minute - where are you, dude?
5 runs a defender right into space where he can cut off ibeagha instead of taking up a good position to receive a ball and turn.
6 - involved in brief interception in Orlando 18
The most generous description I’ve ever seen for someone else creating a turnover opp and him taking a terrible first three touches, giving the ball away to start a counter.
6:45 - not sure I can keep this up
Still not sure why he doesn’t offer himself as a passing option.
8:20 - ball headed right to him by tinny, heads it directly to OCSC. COUNTER AGAIN.
Also occurs to me that no one wants to pass to him for obvious reasons.
9:55 - you’re a mid - where are you as OCSC slices through center of pitch. Tommy not on screen.
10 - heads away Klestjan corner
10:40 the ball did get kicked almost right into his head from an OC corner.
11- steals ball away from Klestjan in midfield
11:30 wins a ball from Meram, actually. Mostly by dragging him down by a shoulder first, then taking him out at the ankles. Proceeds to get schooled and bypassed immediately Afterwards because his tackle went right to OC.
Okay. I’m not going to keep this up. It is pointless.
I’ve seen enough shit you’re passing off as positives here by not providing an objective, complete description; I don’t wont to waste more time noting Ucubed’s contributions (lack thereof). Also, my food just arrived.
- two other plays at 12 13
heh?
15 clears dangerous ball out for corner (could’ve let it go to Johnson though)
ETA: Shit, that was awful.
15:55 they hit him in the head again.
18:20 - completess a pass!!!111!!!!
21 two good midfield touches
An unnecessary touch and a backpass? He needs two for a backpass?!? 2 passes completed now. Hes playing deep mid, btw.
23 great challenge as last man back against Colmán
Cleans up after Ring stops the danger (with a foul, so none of it even really mattered). For real, crediting u3 for that is like crediting Diddy for a great melody on "I'll be missing you"
25 pressured short corner passes
What else was he going to do? Not follow his assignment? Admittedly, for him, it is always a possibility.
26:23 completes another backpass, after another ridiculously unnecessary touch.
Then immediately completes another directly back to Callens, but it was first time, so YAYYYYY!!! Go Tommy!!!!
27 pressured defender trying to get ball out of their end
Again, he was on Meram. He really does a poor job not to force a turnover there, given all of the angles we had cut off.
28:03 somehow isn't involved in defending other than jogging (?) behind the play, still makes no effort to be the 3rd runner as counter springs due to others good def work.
28 good one-touch to advancing player
28:10 - the one touch lay-off to Ofori, a guy under more pressure than him at the time? Holy shit. This is beyond laughable into gross falsification.
29 clears ball under pressure after Colmán hits the post
Accident that you left out all the space he gave defending, right? Literally, he failed to pressure the shot at all. But at least he bumbled a 2nd clearance (after Ibeagha's first bumbled), lucky AF it hit an Orlando player.
29:29 uncalled foul on a player running towards his own goal and passing laterally.
30:21 doing nothing while OC builds a short, but nice, attack.
How can one person be simultaneously always out of defensive position but offering nothing going forward? OH, I KNOW THIS ONE! He's slow AF and unathletic and lacks anticipation.
30:50 - Unrelated, but F U, JIB.
31:51, wow, they really don't want to pass to u3.
33 random good pass in midfield
Wait - the 33:04 backpass? Surely you didn't mean that one.
33:47 - actually defending someone, sort of (ie, he wasn't letting them run free for once)
35' yeah, you did mean that backpass, I guess.
Goal! (not by McNamara, of course) OF COURSE
after the goal several involvements in defending - no specific touches that they showed on TV though
35:51 shields the ball, but really weird because he could have just played it wide and started an attack instead of forcing Ring to take it in an odd, unexpected fashion and have to go back to SJ.
Seems like he does a little bit more than he generally gets credit for.
Hell NO. It seems like no one who thinks he deserves a roster spot ever actually pays attention to just how poor he is.
ETA: I ended up going to 36 because I just couldn't allow these unjust depictions to exist unfettered. I always take the red pill.
Seth2 - pressured defenders in Orlando third
Where? I see Out of position, slow to pressure at 2:14. Slow to ball and fouls at 2:35. Spends next 15 secs out of position ambling about in the way of good playerstryung to do good things.
3:36 fails to offer an option when tinny pressured against sideline.
4:00 no idea wtf that was.
Next minute - where are you, dude?
5 runs a defender right into space where he can cut off ibeagha instead of taking up a good position to receive a ball and turn.
6 - involved in brief interception in Orlando 18
The most generous description I’ve ever seen for someone else creating a turnover opp and him taking a terrible first three touches, giving the ball away to start a counter.
6:45 - not sure I can keep this up
Still not sure why he doesn’t offer himself as a passing option.
8:20 - ball headed right to him by tinny, heads it directly to OCSC. COUNTER AGAIN.
Also occurs to me that no one wants to pass to him for obvious reasons.
9:55 - you’re a mid - where are you as OCSC slices through center of pitch. Tommy not on screen.
10 - heads away Klestjan corner
10:40 the ball did get kicked almost right into his head from an OC corner.
11- steals ball away from Klestjan in midfield
11:30 wins a ball from Meram, actually. Mostly by dragging him down by a shoulder first, then taking him out at the ankles. Proceeds to get schooled and bypassed immediately Afterwards because his tackle went right to OC.
Okay. I’m not going to keep this up. It is pointless.
I’ve seen enough shit you’re passing off as positives here by not providing an objective, complete description; I don’t wont to waste more time noting Ucubed’s contributions (lack thereof). Also, my food just arrived.
- two other plays at 12 13
heh?
15 clears dangerous ball out for corner (could’ve let it go to Johnson though)
ETA: Shit, that was awful.
15:55 they hit him in the head again.
18:20 - completess a pass!!!111!!!!
21 two good midfield touches
An unnecessary touch and a backpass? He needs two for a backpass?!? 2 passes completed now. Hes playing deep mid, btw.
23 great challenge as last man back against Colmán
Cleans up after Ring stops the danger (with a foul, so none of it even really mattered). For real, crediting u3 for that is like crediting Diddy for a great melody on "I'll be missing you"
25 pressured short corner passes
What else was he going to do? Not follow his assignment? Admittedly, for him, it is always a possibility.
26:23 completes another backpass, after another ridiculously unnecessary touch.
Then immediately completes another directly back to Callens, but it was first time, so YAYYYYY!!! Go Tommy!!!!
27 pressured defender trying to get ball out of their end
Again, he was on Meram. He really does a poor job not to force a turnover there, given all of the angles we had cut off.
28:03 somehow isn't involved in defending other than jogging (?) behind the play, still makes no effort to be the 3rd runner as counter springs due to others good def work.
28 good one-touch to advancing player
28:10 - the one touch lay-off to Ofori, a guy under more pressure than him at the time? Holy shit. This is beyond laughable into gross falsification.
29 clears ball under pressure after Colmán hits the post
Accident that you left out all the space he gave defending, right? Literally, he failed to pressure the shot at all. But at least he bumbled a 2nd clearance (after Ibeagha's first bumbled), lucky AF it hit an Orlando player.
29:29 uncalled foul on a player running towards his own goal and passing laterally.
30:21 doing nothing while OC builds a short, but nice, attack.
How can one person be simultaneously always out of defensive position but offering nothing going forward? OH, I KNOW THIS ONE! He's slow AF and unathletic and lacks anticipation.
30:50 - Unrelated, but F U, JIB.
31:51, wow, they really don't want to pass to u3.
33 random good pass in midfield
Wait - the 33:04 backpass? Surely you didn't mean that one.
33:47 - actually defending someone, sort of (ie, he wasn't letting them run free for once)
35' yeah, you did mean that backpass, I guess.
Goal! (not by McNamara, of course) OF COURSE
after the goal several involvements in defending - no specific touches that they showed on TV though
35:51 shields the ball, but really weird because he could have just played it wide and started an attack instead of forcing Ring to take it in an odd, unexpected fashion and have to go back to SJ.
Seems like he does a little bit more than he generally gets credit for.
Hell NO. It seems like no one who thinks he deserves a roster spot ever actually pays attention to just how poor he is.
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I don't recall hearing it at all. Most people I've talked to didn't hear it, including friends of mine who have very strong negative feelings about the chant. Some people have said they heard it sprinkled here and there throughout the game and in isolated parts of the stadium. Yet it is characterised as follows:Thanks
I don't remember hearing it at the previous home game (Colorado), but it definitely has continued to pop up this year.
I am familiar with this and agree that it wouldn't be confused for p*.
Not really sure what this is referring to
In a marked departure from the night’s celebration of the LGBTQ community, NYCFC fans chanted “puto” throughout the match, particularly in the second half
To be fair, the author linked out to a couple of tweets as evidence, but I don't think they quite justify the description. To somebody who didn't attend the match, they might well expect that the whole stadium was singing "puto" repeatedly and in grandiose rolling waves to the tune of "Come on New York".
The article has a pretty clear agenda but I felt like the author was trying to squeeze blood from the stone. By mentioning that neither HoO or Los Templados responded to requests for comment, it's implied (admittedly only IMO) that they were involved in the chant.
In May 2015 – two months into NYCFC’s first campaign – Ben Jata of Upper 90 Soccer tweeted that “NYCFC is implementing a zero-tolerance approach for flares and the Puto chant,” adding, “Fans caught doing either will be ejected.” While other clubs – including Atlanta United, LAFC, and the San Jose Earthquakes, among others – have issued statements condemning the chant (“We are extremely disappointed and shocked at the behavior of a portion of our fan base,” the Quakes said), NYCFC has not provided a similar declaration.
^I will admit to totally misreading this. I ascribed the Ben Jata quote to NYCFC official channels, and thought that not giving them credit for saying they had a zero-tolerance approach to the chant was not up to the official statements from Atlanta / LAFC / San Jose. This was the crux of my comment about "bad faith interpretations of fairly benign statements", so consider that comment somewhat misinformed
I didn't grow up hearing the puto chant, so as an outsider I was really curious and asked a few friends of mine what the chant meant to them. There are definitely people I spoke to who think that it is a homophobic chant which is tightly coupled to a homophobic culture, but there are also people who say that the term is used interchangeably with "chicken" or "coward". I don't think that this is conclusive at all, but I'm not a journalist and it wasn't too difficult to find other sides to this story. I only see one side, very strongly represented, in the HRB article.
It feels like a sign of the times for people to state their opinions very strongly to people who agree with them in a time when it's easier than ever to ask questions to people that one may disagree with. Again, I'm relatively new to the topic, but I don't really see how this article constructively engages with the issue or moves the dialogue forward in any way. So far it seems that, if anything, it's reinforcing entrenched views.
The article was likely at least planned, if not largely written, before the match even occurred if you ask me.I don't recall hearing it at all. Most people I've talked to didn't hear it, including friends of mine who have very strong negative feelings about the chant. Some people have said they heard it sprinkled here and there throughout the game and in isolated parts of the stadium. Yet it is characterised as follows:
In a marked departure from the night’s celebration of the LGBTQ community, NYCFC fans chanted “puto” throughout the match, particularly in the second half
To be fair, the author linked out to a couple of tweets as evidence, but I don't think they quite justify the description. To somebody who didn't attend the match, they might well expect that the whole stadium was singing "puto" repeatedly and in grandiose rolling waves to the tune of "Come on New York".
The article has a pretty clear agenda but I felt like the author was trying to squeeze blood from the stone. By mentioning that neither HoO or Los Templados responded to requests for comment, it's implied (admittedly only IMO) that they were involved in the chant.
In May 2015 – two months into NYCFC’s first campaign – Ben Jata of Upper 90 Soccer tweeted that “NYCFC is implementing a zero-tolerance approach for flares and the Puto chant,” adding, “Fans caught doing either will be ejected.” While other clubs – including Atlanta United, LAFC, and the San Jose Earthquakes, among others – have issued statements condemning the chant (“We are extremely disappointed and shocked at the behavior of a portion of our fan base,” the Quakes said), NYCFC has not provided a similar declaration.
^I will admit to totally misreading this. I ascribed the Ben Jata quote to NYCFC official channels, and thought that not giving them credit for saying they had a zero-tolerance approach to the chant was not up to the official statements from Atlanta / LAFC / San Jose. This was the crux of my comment about "bad faith interpretations of fairly benign statements", so consider that comment somewhat misinformed
I didn't grow up hearing the puto chant, so as an outsider I was really curious and asked a few friends of mine what the chant meant to them. There are definitely people I spoke to who think that it is a homophobic chant which is tightly coupled to a homophobic culture, but there are also people who say that the term is used interchangeably with "chicken" or "coward". I don't think that this is conclusive at all, but I'm not a journalist and it wasn't too difficult to find other sides to this story. I only see one side, very strongly represented, in the HRB article.
It feels like a sign of the times for people to state their opinions very strongly to people who agree with them in a time when it's easier than ever to ask questions to people that one may disagree with. Again, I'm relatively new to the topic, but I don't really see how this article constructively engages with the issue or moves the dialogue forward in any way. So far it seems that, if anything, it's reinforcing entrenched views.
Whatever/whenever it happened, I didn’t hear it on the broadcast.
So, so tired of outrage peddlers.
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I am honestly ashamed of our SS a lot of games, especially away games. The Club needs to clamp down on the BS.
They just need to clamp down on 234 and the Templados
Well I'm not going to reply point-by-point because that would be, well, pointless. Sometimes I think we're seeing different games though. And I'm not claiming he's the second coming of Messi or anything, just that he deserves a little better than we're giving him. For example, I say he heads away a corner, you say it was kicked to his head and he did almost nothing. It was a corner, the ball was sent in his direction, and either through his genius positioning in advance or through sheer dumb luck, depending on your viewpoint and to exaggerate slightly, it came in his direction and he made a convincing header to get the ball away from the goal. End of story. Set piece, he did his job, done. I don't really see how someone could complain about that. And yet here we are. Same with the Klestjan/Meram play. I saw him steal the ball away, you saw him beating on the guy. Again, not sure we're looking at the same game. I'd love to watch a game with you so we can both point and exclaim at each other. Would be a blast!
And for the record, I in no way meant my post to be misleading, intentionally or otherwise. I watched the replay of the game and decided to take some notes when they showed McNamara make a play onscreen. I did it live while the game was on, which is why there's a few things out of order or just barely mentioned; I was typing while watching rather than pausing it to write down copious notes.
I in no way actually believed that you were trying to hoodwink us.
Nonetheless, I felt compelled to save the board from potential hoodwinking, unintentional or otherwise.
