Patrick Vieira in line to become new manager of Saint-Etienne

[Walshawblue]

https://www.mancity.com/
Go to Khaldoons interview part 3 abot 2mins into it talks some good stuff about nycfc on there and about Vierra.
Also talk sport I would not trust anything they say on that station especially about anything to do with City or City group .

 

[Shawn Ryu]

Would suck to lose him, but it would be a good opportunity to see how MLS experienced managers would fare in top European league. Bob Bradley was not given enough time, IMO.

 

[413Blue]

I've tried to keep my cool and not be too negative about Vieira on this site, but after tonight's game i'm going to be honest. PV is not even an MLS level manager. He could turn into one someday, but he is not today. Look back over the last two seasons and count how many points we've lost that can be directly contributed to tactics, substitutions, idiotic lineups etc. Tonight was no anomaly.
His success can all be attributed to the fact that he automatically gets respect from the players for his playing career, and the fact that he does not appear to be a dick. Other than that, he gets out coached far too often, sometimes by himself.
I was not thrilled when we brought him in. Partially because he had no experience managing an adult professional squad, and partially because great players rarely turn out to be great managers. He has not convinced me yet that he is up to the job and him being poached by some euro club is not something that has me worried. I like him personally, but that doesn't get us points.

 

[Seth]

I've tried to keep my cool and not be too negative about Vieira on this site, but after tonight's game i'm going to be honest. PV is not even an MLS level manager. He could turn into one someday, but he is not today. Look back over the last two seasons and count how many points we've lost that can be directly contributed to tactics, substitutions, idiotic lineups etc. Tonight was no anomaly.
His success can all be attributed to the fact that he automatically gets respect from the players for his playing career, and the fact that he does not appear to be a dick. Other than that, he gets out coached far too often, sometimes by himself.
I was not thrilled when we brought him in. Partially because he had no experience managing an adult professional squad, and partially because great players rarely turn out to be great managers. He has not convinced me yet that he is up to the job and him being poached by some euro club is not something that has me worried. I like him personally, but that doesn't get us points.

I understand the sentiment but honestly I don't think things are as bad as many are making them out to be. It's still relatively early in the season, we're in 5th place but only 3 points out of 2nd, we have a lot of our regular players away or injured, and we managed to get a point out of the New England match. Could things have been managed better? Maybe. But on the other hand if we're near the top of the table at the end of this month I wouldn't be at all surprised. And because MLS, as long as we finish the season in 6th place or higher none of these dropped points will matter.

Am I a little annoyed at the result of this past game? Sure. VieraOut? No, not at all.

 

[LeeNYCFC]

I understand the sentiment but honestly I don't think things are as bad as many are making them out to be. It's still relatively early in the season, we're in 5th place but only 3 points out of 2nd, we have a lot of our regular players away or injured, and we managed to get a point out of the New England match. Could things have been managed better? Maybe. But on the other hand if we're near the top of the table at the end of this month I wouldn't be at all surprised. And because MLS, as long as we finish the season in 6th place or higher none of these dropped points will matter.

Am I a little annoyed at the result of this past game? Sure. VieraOut? No, not at all.

It's a little of both for me. Has he been good enough tactically, with the press, or developing players? Not in my book.
Does a MLS2017 club attract a long line of world class tactical managers who are great with developing players and the press? No way.

 

[mgarbowski]

I understand the sentiment but honestly I don't think things are as bad as many are making them out to be. It's still relatively early in the season, we're in 5th place but only 3 points out of 2nd, we have a lot of our regular players away or injured, and we managed to get a point out of the New England match. Could things have been managed better? Maybe. But on the other hand if we're near the top of the table at the end of this month I wouldn't be at all surprised. And because MLS, as long as we finish the season in 6th place or higher none of these dropped points will matter.

Am I a little annoyed at the result of this past game? Sure. VieraOut? No, not at all.

And you want to make my list of people who trash talk the team.

 

[Kjbert]

You can't look at PV in a vacuum. The fact that he sits Pirlo's ass on the bench tells you how important a guy like him is to this project. I hope we always have world class players like Villa. I think they're getting ready to go cheap a la Dallas but who knows?

If we don't, PV is important. He won't lose the locker room like Kreis did.

 

[Fantazma]

I've tried to keep my cool and not be too negative about Vieira on this site, but after tonight's game i'm going to be honest. PV is not even an MLS level manager. He could turn into one someday, but he is not today. Look back over the last two seasons and count how many points we've lost that can be directly contributed to tactics, substitutions, idiotic lineups etc. Tonight was no anomaly.
His success can all be attributed to the fact that he automatically gets respect from the players for his playing career, and the fact that he does not appear to be a dick. Other than that, he gets out coached far too often, sometimes by himself.
I was not thrilled when we brought him in. Partially because he had no experience managing an adult professional squad, and partially because great players rarely turn out to be great managers. He has not convinced me yet that he is up to the job and him being poached by some euro club is not something that has me worried. I like him personally, but that doesn't get us points.

with worse crap i have seen in MLS...he is still MLS level for sure. Is he better? he can but some stuff he just makes bad assumptions at times or waits too long to make a change ....its still a learning procedure to him.... who is out there though that "gets MLS" that we can get? we had Kreis and saw how that went. i still think our roster is limited and are still a player or two away from being contenders.

if anything he has to make some changes tactically....like when we needed to make a goal in last 5 mins or so....team kept playing to the back many times .....he has to have a different strategy worked out when this scenario comes up....have plays set up that breaks that going back pass. have plan B/ C etc for different situations.

team looks bad when we get caught and get pressured.

 

[Seth]

And you want to make my list of people who trash talk the team.

 

[Marito]

Also if PV has had any input on selecting this year's arrivals, which I'm assuming he has had quite a lot of, then he deserves an A+ for that. Ring, Maxi and Herrera have been absolute homeruns, and Callens has not been bad at all. Camargo seems meh but probably better than TMac for depth. So A for new players combined with an F in terms of bench players, development of young reserves such as Lewis and Awuah, and the horrible extensions given to TMac and RJ, that's how you get a B or maybe C+.

 

[mgarbowski]

I know soccer managers don't do this. It's just not part of the tradition or how it's done, but I'm going to repeat something I wrote last June. I wish we had a Don Zimmer type coach on our staff. New baseball managers and NFL head coaches do this all the time. Soccer, basketball and hockey not as much, though it is not unknown in the NBA. I guess they think it makes you weak. But kudos to those who have the self-confidence to hire an assistant who is older and more experienced and can be trusted not to undermine you and will never volunteer suggestions but will just sit there and basically answer the same question over and over during games: "what do you think?" It helps to have someone around who is able to disagree with you --privately.

 

[LionNYC]

I know soccer managers don't do this. It's just not part of the tradition or how it's done, but I'm going to repeat something I wrote last June. I wish we had a Don Zimmer type coach on our staff. New baseball managers and NFL head coaches do this all the time. Soccer, basketball and hockey not as much, though it is not unknown in the NBA. I guess they think it makes you weak. But kudos to those who have the self-confidence to hire an assistant who is older and more experienced and can be trusted not to undermine you and will never volunteer suggestions but will just sit there and basically answer the same question over and over during games: "what do you think?" It helps to have someone around who is able to disagree with you --privately.

But who from the City football culture, style of play would be able to fill in that role for us? Obviously, Vieira has the ability to call Pep, Wegner, whoever he knows. But they don't watch and study our games.

 

[sbrylski]

But who from the City football culture, style of play would be able to fill in that role for us? Obviously, Vieira has the ability to call Pep, Wegner, whoever he knows. But they don't watch and study our games.

Guillermo Barros Schelotto is the only potential replacement manager on my shortlist right now, partially because I haven't been looking very hard, but also he would be tremendous with us or in MLS in general.

But I think he ends up with LAFC if he's joining MLS anytime soon. It would explain why they haven't hired a manager yet, as Schelotto's current season with Boca Juniors ends at the end of June.

 

[mgarbowski]

But who from the City football culture, style of play would be able to fill in that role for us? Obviously, Vieira has the ability to call Pep, Wegner, whoever he knows. But they don't watch and study our games.

I don't have a candidate, and it's moot because it isn't how it's generally done in soccer. You're right that it's often someone who's basically a lifer with the team, and where I have seen it in soccer that's usually why. Swansea has a guy -- Alan Curtis -- who played for them in the 70's and has worked for them ever since, usually in some undefined capacity, often as an adviser to the manager, and stepping in to act as interim on occasion. But most clubs don't have that and when Curtis fully retires I doubt Swansea will find a successor. It just sort of happened with him as far as I can tell.
But it doesn't have to be someone like that. In sports where it's part of the culture some guys just make a career of it. They usually get a chance at being the head guy and fail, go back to being a productive assistant coach, and then when they're 55-70 years old they slide into this role.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

think they're getting ready to go cheap a la Dallas but who kno

No offense, but based on your hints on what your source tells you, your source doesn't know shit most of the time.

Nonetheless, keep it coming. I'm not here for the facts.

 

[Kjbert]

No offense, but based on your hints on what your source tells you, your source doesn't know shit most of the time.

Nonetheless, keep it coming. I'm not here for the facts.

I clarified that today. NYCFC 2.0 will look like the LA Galaxy. Less Steven Gerard, more Romain Allesandrini.

Not good enough for me. I want Miguel Almirons.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I clarified that today. NYCFC 2.0 will look like the LA Galaxy. Less Steven Gerard, more Romain Allesandrini.

Not good enough for me. I want Miguel Almirons.

I just want to see them buy someone at some point.

 

[Kjbert]

I just want to see them buy someone at some point.

Same. I got the impression they would pay a transfer fee in the right circumstance. Don't know what the budget is. The next DP won't be a name the majority of us have ever heard of. Only D_RoyJenkins will have heard of him probably. Dude knows every player in the world.

 

[Fake Jew]

I'm predicting we'll be forced to have Yangel as a young DP if we want to have him here permanently.

 

[Kjbert]

I'm predicting we'll be forced to have Yangel as a young DP if we want to have him here permanently.

That's not the plan as of today. Which I think is great news. Means they want to spend a little money of their own.