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Proof that Our Pitch is 70 Yards Wide

Discussion in 'NYCFC Supporters Discussion' started by Gotham Gator, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. Gotham Gator

    Gotham Gator Senior Member Donor

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    I am very tired of the old trope that our pitch is narrower than the MLS mandated 70 yards. This was kicked around a lot during our first year, and now seems to be accepted wisdom, even though it is demonstrably false. I think it would be good for all of us to be equipped with the proof so that we can bring it out when others use the pitch argument when trashing our Club's stadium situation as amateurish and unprofessional.

    I actually figured out the proof by looking at a post on a blog for Atlanta United. It was trying to prove that our pitch is only 68 yards wide. It used a really good way to analyze the question, but then ultimately failed to get the right answer because it used a photo with a bad angle. Confirmation bias, perhaps? You can read it here.

    The Proof

    On most soccer fields, there are short hash marks just past each end line. These are meant to delineate the spot that is 10 yards from a corner kick (this helps the referee ensure the defenders are keeping the proper distance). Since a corner kick can be taken up to 1 yard from the sideline, each mark is 11 yards from the nearest sideline. See the diagram below.

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    From here, it is simple math. The two marks indicate 22 yards of field width (11 yards for each). The penalty area is 44 yards wide. Those add up to 66 yards. That leaves the distance between the edge of the penalty area and each hash mark - it is the only variable. If that distance is 2 yards for each, then you get 4 more yards or 70 total. If it is only 1 yard, then you get 2 more yards, or 68.

    The Atlanta United post used a sideline photo that compresses the distance between the hash mark and the penalty area, and concludes the difference is only 1 yard for a field width of 68 yards. However, if you look at the photos below, the distance is pretty clearly 2 yards, for a field width of 70.

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    Gotham Gator Senior Member Donor

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    To contrast, here is the photo in the Atlanta United blog post. The sideline angle is deceptive.

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    SoupInNYC Senior Member Elite Donor

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    Solid post Gator and this all makes logical sense.

    However, since we cannot simply measure that distance from the hash mark to the penalty area and "prove" that it is 2 yards or greater (others will still try and argue against you), I think its important to compare that distance to the radius from the corners as those are clearly different.
     
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    Schwallacus Regular Member

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    You're basing this all on the fact that every other line is up to par in legal/rule/mandated measurements. The logic is 100% there, but just to play devil's advocate, what if the ratios of everything are 95% of what they actually should be? What if the corner flag radius is actually only .9 yards? What if the penalty area was taken in an extra yard or so on each side?
    Again, Gotham GatorGotham Gator , excellent logistical work on this. However, your work is based solely on the lines being exact based off of mandated rules. This argument may go on until each line can be proven 100% accurately measured by multiple parties using different forms of measurement tools. Have Calen Carr and Susannah Collins measure it for shits and giggles on This Week in MLS?
    #FieldDimensionConspiracy
     
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    Gotham Gator Senior Member Donor

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    Ha!

    Given what happened in Montreal when the penalty area was too small for their playoff game in 2016, I don't think we could get away with those being below grade. The players would notice it immediately.
     
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    LionNYC Senior Member Staff Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    But would the referees authorized by PRO run by US Soccer in coordination with MLS turn a blind eye?
     
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    Seth Active Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Your logic is totally sound (for values of logically true/not true) but as others have said your basic premise is that the lines on the field are true which is something we just don't know. If each measurement is only 6" closer than it ought to be nobody would be able to tell without a tape measure and we could easily have a 68 yard field. As evidence of my premise I present Pirlo's innumerable always-too-long passes. Irrefutable. There, I've now logically proven both our small field *and* Pirlo's genius.

    You're welcome.
     
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    Schwallacus Regular Member

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    Midas Mulligan Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter International Liaison

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    I wish I knew you were being sarcastic.

    FTR, I always thought the edge of our box looked way too close to the flag from 215. d
     
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    BxLio91 Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    It's still 70 yards to me dammit!!!!
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    Keith Putnam Senior Member Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    I can't imagine a scenario in which I would want to spend any energy debating the size of anyone's pitch.
     

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