Stadium Discussion

Where Do You Want The Stadium?

  • Manhattan

    Votes: 54 16.7%
  • Queens

    Votes: 99 30.6%
  • Brooklyn

    Votes: 19 5.9%
  • Staten Island

    Votes: 7 2.2%
  • Westchester

    Votes: 18 5.6%
  • The Bronx

    Votes: 113 34.9%
  • Long Island

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Dual-Boroughs

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Etihad Island

    Votes: 5 1.5%

  • Total voters
    324
So when the Court of Appeals, the state's highest court*, ruled on the mall project a few weeks ago they reaffirmed the general principle that parkland can't just be used for non-park use without the state legislature approving whatever non-park use is being proposed. That meant that the mall plan wasn't technically dead, but that the state legislature could have retroactively blessed the development and let it move forward. The legislature usually only meets for the first six months of the year, however, so if nothing was approved by the end of the day yesterday the plan is 100% dead (until next year at the least). And what's more, the legislature approved other park alienations over the last week but didn't get around to this one, despite the fact that the Willet's West developer has plenty of lobbyists on retainer for this sort of thing.

Basically, the city's big plan to build a fancy new neighborhood on the old chop shops and pay for it with a snazzy mall is dead in the water, and CFG has a golden opportunity to swoop in and help save the bigger picture goal of affordable housing at Willet's Point (and get a stadium out of it). That's, of course, if they're actually up for being that ambitious. Are they? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

*Not the New York State Supreme Court, just to make it extra annoying and confusing
That also means we wouldn't be able to get permission to build a stadium there until next year, right?
 
Yes, and I had some choice words in the comment section at the end.
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So I thoroughly enjoyed crunching NJRB earlier today but seeing a game there once again makes me want a stadium. Red Bull Arena is *small* (in a good way, I mean). I was way up in the corner of the 200 level and still felt close to the action, so it'd probably be great to be on the centerline in the 200s, which is sort of were my seats are in Yankee Stadium. So here's where my seats are:
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Not bad, eh? Well, here's RBA to scale, superimposed so the field is in roughly the same place ours is:
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As you can see, my not-all-that-bad seats at Yankee Stadium are not even in the building at RBA.

Conclusion:
I want a stadium.
 
So I thoroughly enjoyed crunching NJRB earlier today but seeing a game there once again makes me want a stadium. Red Bull Arena is *small* (in a good way, I mean). I was way up in the corner of the 200 level and still felt close to the action, so it'd probably be great to be on the centerline in the 200s, which is sort of were my seats are in Yankee Stadium. So here's where my seats are:
myseat-ys.png

Not bad, eh? Well, here's RBA to scale, superimposed so the field is in roughly the same place ours is:
myseat-ys-rba.png

As you can see, my not-all-that-bad seats at Yankee Stadium are not even in the building at RBA.

Conclusion:
I want a stadium.
On the bright side since your seats aren't inside the stadium at least it means you're not in jersey.
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So I thoroughly enjoyed crunching NJRB earlier today but seeing a game there once again makes me want a stadium. Red Bull Arena is *small* (in a good way, I mean). I was way up in the corner of the 200 level and still felt close to the action, so it'd probably be great to be on the centerline in the 200s, which is sort of were my seats are in Yankee Stadium. So here's where my seats are:
myseat-ys.png

Not bad, eh? Well, here's RBA to scale, superimposed so the field is in roughly the same place ours is:
myseat-ys-rba.png

As you can see, my not-all-that-bad seats at Yankee Stadium are not even in the building at RBA.

Conclusion:
I want a stadium.

nycfc deserve to play in a stadium of that calibre
 
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Mostly unrelated, but what isn't in this thread?

Yankees Charity Neglects Stadium’s Neighbors
Corruption and self-dealing among Bronx politicians, non-profits, and local business is the least surprising story in the world. Good to see it exposed so thoroughly though. The only complaint I have with the article is the apparent faith it has in the more local non-profits not to engage in the same sort of self-dealing for the benefit of their own cronies.
 
The headline here stinks, because it implies the Yankees are behind the shenanigans. In reality, it's the local politicians who are running the charity. The Yankees want nothing to do with it (other than providing the agreed upon funding).

What this really does demonstrate is that even the Yankees had to pay off local politicians in order to get their stadium built, because that's exactly what this is - a fancy way to funnel money to local pols.
 
The headline here stinks, because it implies the Yankees are behind the shenanigans.
I disagree. I think the Yankees bear clear responsibility here, and it's letting them off too easy to argue, as they do, that they provide funds and nothing more and therefore shouldn't be held responsible.

(1) The Yankees set the thing up in the first place. The governance structure (a clear slush fund from the get-go!) was in their control at the time. (2) It was set up in order to close the deal on YS. (3) It's got the Yankees' name on it. (4) The charity delivers its annual reports to the Yankees and only the Yankees—implying Yankees control (or at least a watchdog function), and positioning the Yankees as the only party with sufficient information to hold the charity accountable.

And I think, Gator, that you're trying to have it both ways. (Respectfully; I'm not trying to internet-fight, here.) On the one hand, you say it's unfair to imply that the Yankees "are behind the shenanigans." On the other hand, you say they "had to pay off local pols." So we agree that they knew exactly what they were doing. However they're trying to spin it (pretty weak spin, too, if you ask me), the upshot is the same: They promised community benefits as a selling point for getting neighborhood buy-in, but then they structured the charity in such a way that they knew it wouldn't deliver. That puts them "behind the shenanigans" by any layperson's read of the situation. Even if you argue that the nature of the thing at the time escaped them (which is frankly unbelievable), their subsequent sole receipt of annual reports and refusal to either release that information or act on it puts the blame on them.

One way or another, it's clear that they sold the neighborhood a bill of goods, made promises they knew at the time they weren't going to keep. That's going to matter when NYCFC tries to make similar promises in pursuit of the SSS.
 
I disagree. I think the Yankees bear clear responsibility here, and it's letting them off too easy to argue, as they do, that they provide funds and nothing more and therefore shouldn't be held responsible.

(1) The Yankees set the thing up in the first place. The governance structure (a clear slush fund from the get-go!) was in their control at the time. (2) It was set up in order to close the deal on YS. (3) It's got the Yankees' name on it. (4) The charity delivers its annual reports to the Yankees and only the Yankees—implying Yankees control (or at least a watchdog function), and positioning the Yankees as the only party with sufficient information to hold the charity accountable.

And I think, Gator, that you're trying to have it both ways. (Respectfully; I'm not trying to internet-fight, here.) On the one hand, you say it's unfair to imply that the Yankees "are behind the shenanigans." On the other hand, you say they "had to pay off local pols." So we agree that they knew exactly what they were doing. However they're trying to spin it (pretty weak spin, too, if you ask me), the upshot is the same: They promised community benefits as a selling point for getting neighborhood buy-in, but then they structured the charity in such a way that they knew it wouldn't deliver. That puts them "behind the shenanigans" by any layperson's read of the situation. Even if you argue that the nature of the thing at the time escaped them (which is frankly unbelievable), their subsequent sole receipt of annual reports and refusal to either release that information or act on it puts the blame on them.

One way or another, it's clear that they sold the neighborhood a bill of goods, made promises they knew at the time they weren't going to keep. That's going to matter when NYCFC tries to make similar promises in pursuit of the SSS.

If you think any of this is being done without the express or implicit direction of the local pols, you're likely wrong. The article says the Bronx delegation chose the administrator of the fund. That pretty much sums it up.
 
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That's right down the street from me! I think UHaul is doing pretty good business but man, it'd be interesting.

A 7 minute walk from the Marble Hill metro North station and probably several orders of magnitude less NIMBY pressure than across the river in Inwood.

1 block from the 230thstreet exit from the Major Deegan.


4 local bars for pregaming (Keenan's, Mcgoos, the Local and the Kilt, the last a disastrous makeover of P&Ks). The buyback lives on at all but the Kilt.

Yeah. Let's make it happen.

Paging Seth Seth, the overlay man . . . . 230th and Kingsbridge.
 
Seems like if they were to really look at that area the Target down the block would be much better (assuming you could get them to sell anyway). And apparently there's historical precedent too...
 

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That's right down the street from me! I think UHaul is doing pretty good business but man, it'd be interesting.

A 7 minute walk from the Marble Hill metro North station and probably several orders of magnitude less NIMBY pressure than across the river in Inwood.

1 block from the 230thstreet exit from the Major Deegan.


4 local bars for pregaming (Keenan's, Mcgoos, the Local and the Kilt, the last a disastrous makeover of P&Ks). The buyback lives on at all but the Kilt.

Yeah. Let's make it happen.

Paging Seth Seth, the overlay man . . . . 230th and Kingsbridge.
Did I miss a post or five about this location? Unfortunately it looks like the available space is a little too small for what we'd need. It also looks like the neighborhood is pretty residential for something like a stadium. It's too bad the sports stuff for the schools are on the other side of the school buildings. If we could take out the sports fields and give them use of some of the stadium complex it might be able to get squeezed in.
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Did I miss a post or five about this location? Unfortunately it looks like the available space is a little too small for what we'd need. It also looks like the neighborhood is pretty residential for something like a stadium. It's too bad the sports stuff for the schools are on the other side of the school buildings. If we could take out the sports fields and give them use of some of the stadium complex it might be able to get squeezed in.
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Is that track oblong at like 20m wide by 180m long??? It's like the Circus Maximus in Rome