Stadium Discussion

Where Do You Want The Stadium?

  • Manhattan

    Votes: 54 16.6%
  • Queens

    Votes: 99 30.5%
  • Brooklyn

    Votes: 19 5.8%
  • Staten Island

    Votes: 7 2.2%
  • Westchester

    Votes: 18 5.5%
  • The Bronx

    Votes: 113 34.8%
  • Long Island

    Votes: 7 2.2%
  • Dual-Boroughs

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Etihad Island

    Votes: 5 1.5%

  • Total voters
    325
plausible, but idea is USL now im sure even for his partners.
USL is more affordable when dollars are going towards stadium construction. There isn’t an arms race pegged to teams like ATL/LAFC/TOR so QFC can spend lower amounts and still be competitive/winners. Winning solidifies fan base. Once stadium is built enabling revenue streams while capital construction costs drop, budget gets redirected to MLS entry and roster.
 
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USL is more affordable when dollars are going towards stadium construction. There isn’t an arms race pegged to teams like ATL/LAFC/TOR so QFC can spend lower amounts and still be competitive/winners. Winning solidifies fan base. Once stadium is built enabling revenue streams while capital construction costs drop, budget gets redirected to MLS entry and roster.
USL teams also can't make decent use of 15,000 seat stadiums.

Seriously, how many fans do you think a USL team here will draw per game? I say less than 5000.

I think NYCFC can work with 18500 capacity. Can't be hard to add 3.5k more seats.
 
yes, they love villa always at least sucked up to him and they always wanted to "bring soccer to queens" and probably pitched idea and since he may know queens thru his academy and his partners probably liked idea too even for USL team. again, who knows maybe they originally went to CFG but CFG didnt like it for some reason or maybe asked for too much perks from government.

as for renting, its last effort move for CFG, im sure they want to own rather than rent from a USL team. all this queens plan is really forcing their hand.

I feel like CFG only wanted to be in the Bronx from day 1. They probably were offered Queens and said no. And if that’s the case, they can go suck a bag of dicks as far as I’m concerned.
 
I feel like CFG only wanted to be in the Bronx from day 1. They probably were offered Queens and said no. And if that’s the case, they can go suck a bag of dicks as far as I’m concerned.

i think that could be true because they may have had that parking lot site almost in their grasp and then it didnt happen and were like ok now what? do they really want to go to queens since they have "built' a following in the bronx.

EDIT: huge mistake if that was their mentality
 
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The optics of NYCFC being a tenant of a USL team are horrible. Maybe it happens, but that’s a talking point that won’t attract new fans that don’t want their team to appear as second fiddle.

If NYCFC is playing in a soccer specific stadium in New York City, at a central site that will be easy for fans to get to, I don't care if Kim Jong Un owns the stadium.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
 
USL teams also can't make decent use of 15,000 seat stadiums.

Seriously, how many fans do you think a USL team here will draw per game? I say less than 5000.

I think NYCFC can work with 18500 capacity. Can't be hard to add 3.5k more seats.
I posted above that the stadium would sell out.

Fan in NYC want authentic experiences and playing in a baseball stadium ain’t that, but playing in a new 15k seat stadium would be. USL is secondary to the equation - there will be a ton of immigrant fans that don’t have an issue with the 2nd tier and being in USL will mean lower prices that all fans will like. It’s a winning combo all around for attendance.
 
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I posted above that the stadium would sell out.

Fan in NYC want authentic experiences and playing in a baseball stadium ain’t that, but playing in a new 15k seat stadium would be. USL is secondary to the equation - there will be a ton of immigrant fans that don’t have an issue with the 2nd tier and being in USL will mean lower prices that all fans will like. It’s a winning combo all around for attendance.

I just looked up some of the minor league teams in NYC to see how they do attendance-wise. The number is average attendance, in the () is the capacity.

Brooklyn Cyclones: 5,329 (7,000)
Staten Island Yankees: 2,083 (7,171)

I can't find the Long Island Nets' attendance at Nassau, but their last game got 2,042 in a 16,000 seat arena.

I'm not sure I agree with your thesis that NYC will support a minor-league team at major league levels.
 
If NYCFC is playing in a soccer specific stadium in New York City, at a central site that will be easy for fans to get to, I don't care if Kim Jong Un owns the stadium.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Good is relative. Being a tenant wouldn’t guarantee anything. If favorable terms could not be agreed to, NYCFC could find themselves in the same position they’re in now - averaging 15k (at best if maxed out), paying rent every match. Would be surprised if they got to keep all of the parking/concessions receipts - the landlord could easily take part. So while they may not get fleeced as badly as the Yankees are hitting them, having a capped attendance can’t offset the rent the same way a new, larger stadium with a 25k capacity could toward game-day revenue. And is a maxed-out level of stadium revenue really what the team needs when thinking long term if the CFG plan is for theclub to be mostly self-sufficient - there’s no grand TV deal yet to fall back on.
 
Good is relative. Being a tenant wouldn’t guarantee anything. If favorable terms could not be agreed to, NYCFC could find themselves in the same position they’re in now - averaging 15k (at best if maxed out), paying rent every match. Would be surprised if they got to keep all of the parking/concessions receipts - the landlord could easily take part. So while they may not get fleeced as badly as the Yankees are hitting them, having a capped attendance can’t offset the rent the same way a new, larger stadium with a 25k capacity could toward game-day revenue. And is a maxed-out level of stadium revenue really what the team needs when thinking long term if the CFG plan is for theclub to be mostly self-sufficient - there’s no grand TV deal yet to fall back on.

Do fans really care about what NYCFC is paying and how much concession revenue they keep? I want this team to have a soccer specific stadium in New York City. Everything else is gravy.
 
I just looked up some of the minor league teams in NYC to see how they do attendance-wise. The number is average attendance, in the () is the capacity.

Brooklyn Cyclones: 5,329 (7,000)
Staten Island Yankees: 2,083 (7,171)

I can't find the Long Island Nets' attendance at Nassau, but their last game got 2,042 in a 16,000 seat arena.

I'm not sure I agree with your thesis that NYC will support a minor-league team at major league levels.
Cyclones and SI Yankees have shitty locations and compete against two MLB teams with their own palaces.

Soccer is different, it’s an immigrants’ sport, and QFC is in the most immigrant-centric Borough. You can’t use other sports to project their numbers.
 
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Do fans really care about what NYCFC is paying and how much concession revenue they keep? I want this team to have a soccer specific stadium in New York City. Everything else is gravy.
Wasn’t talking about the fans - it’s be a bad deal for NYCFC if CFG has mandated they need to be self sufficient. 15k/ game won’t cut it while paying rent, and there’s no guarantee they’d get 15k considering the numbers keep dwindling.
 
No way this site was/is not being offered to NYCFC. We either got outbid by some wild offer by the Villa group, we are playing it slow waiting to swoop in later, or we were not interested in the site because a) We got something else or b) we dont really want a stadium.

If it's A, cool beans, if its B, this club is Chivas USA2
 
The optics of NYCFC being a tenant of a USL team are horrible. Maybe it happens, but that’s a talking point that won’t attract new fans that don’t want their team to appear as second fiddle.
Does any article say that the USL team would own the stadium? DV and the developers are separate entities.
 
Even in the context of the stadium thread, that’s pretty far fetched

How so? I’ve felt their whole search has been rigged towards the Bronx from the get go once they partnered with the Yankees.
 
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Does any article say that the USL team would own the stadium? DV and the developers are separate entities.
Very true, good catch!

Says the developers would need to get a letter of intent from a franchise. That suggests a long term operating lease - if the team is critical to approval and the plan moving forward - because the primary tenant would want control of the stadium and it’s availability and not be open to a secondary tenant usurping them regarding schedule or overusing the playing surface. If a secondary tenant becomes involved, chances are very good it’d be a sublease and not a direct lease with the developers.
 
No way this site was/is not being offered to NYCFC. We either got outbid by some wild offer by the Villa group, we are playing it slow waiting to swoop in later, or we were not interested in the site because a) We got something else or b) we dont really want a stadium.

If it's A, cool beans, if its B, this club is Chivas USA2
Maybe the “site” (ie the city and borough) didn’t want NYCFC and even though CFG investigated WP, they were told not interested or not allowed to build. We’ve heard from Patricof that the team looked at more than 20 someodd locations (mentioned that at the round table I went to), so the club tried to vette the entire city. If NYCFC had a shot at WP, and it was a guaranteed build while these others have been smoke but no fire, then they’d have taken it, and yet here we are with a USL team about to get it. So either they’re building at the garage, or the city told them to take a hike. Neither would surprise me. I could definitely see factions in the city being against CFG for multiple reasons, for not wanting to play ball right away on affordable housing, antagonized somebody with their lobbying efforts, ethically against the ownership, or just BdB being stubborn BdB.

CFG’s last Card to play, if WP goes to QFC and CFG is intent on having their own stadium, is to throw Fck-you money at the garage/city to expedite that process. It’s like they’re playing a game of chicken with that site to see if they can get the price down, but once WP moves forward, the garage has to be put in play yesterday - costs be damned.