2017 Summer Signings

[canchon]

I wonder if I was busy or doing the "if you can't say anything nice" thing.

Fairly sure I thought Grabavoy wasn't dead yet when we picked him and predicted he'd be decent to slightly better. But I jumped off that bandwagon pretty quickly. I think I was in (started?) the "we don't really have anyone besides Villa & Mix who is MLS-starter quality" by the first month.

Mix? Portland fans should wake up and give a daily prayer to the soccer gods that they didn't finalize the deal for him to come there, enabling them to move on and pick up Diego Valeri.

But yeah, the starting 11 that a poster put after the expansion draft is laughable now in hindsight.

 

[canchon]

In hindsight, its not like there was anything terribly exciting on offer in that draft. The players would not have been bad as backups. Not our fault Kreis decided to use them as lock down starters. The big misses IMO were marky Delgado in the Chivas draft and Roldan in the superdraft that year.

NYCFC missed out on Larin (by prioritizing allocation over super draft order) and then Roldan by overthinking the pick. Wow. Hey, but Khiry can run fast in a straight line, so at least we've got that going for us.

 

[Kjbert]

Don't get the lack of appreciation for Ring. He's been our second best player this year with the fall off from Harrison.

Dude is a full international and has played in the BL. In baseball, they call guys like him Quadruple A players. He's not going to feature for Bayern, but would for Herthe Berlin

 

[JGarrettLieb]

NYCFC missed out on Larin (by prioritizing allocation over super draft order) and then Roldan by overthinking the pick. Wow. Hey, but Khiry can run fast in a straight line, so at least we've got that going for us.

No we did not prioritize allocation over super draft order, Jason Kreis had a brain fart and said the wrong thing.

First link has a clearer explanation, second link has video of the event.

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014...eis-mistake-mycfc-orlando-city-priority-draft

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the9...jason-kreis-make-a-terrible-terrible-mistake/

We knew that Larin was the real deal and wanted to snag him. Instead we got Poku who's greatest contribution to the team was getting sold for way more than he is worth. Because Jason Kreis couldn't just look down a a piece of paper to make sure he was saying the right thing.

I posit that this incident was part of the tipping point in firing Kreis. It shows that hes prone to stupid mistakes.

Being fair to Kreis though, if we had Lampard for season 1, he would probably still be our coach, the team was clearly built to have a Lampard like player poaching goals in the midfield.

 

[SoupInNYC]

Why? He is better than a number of players we watch week in and walk out overseas. Ring and Herrera are the reason I'm not catatonic about Maxi. They collectively make up for it

They make up for what with Maxi???? Dude is balling.

Ring has been great for us, but lets not pretend he's going straight to back to starting in Bundesliga, especially for a team that is playing in Europa League next year.

Dude played there and didn't cut it. Hell, look around this league and there are quite a few players that are performing better than him here who aren't going to Bundesliga, or EPL, or La Liga. Example, the teams going after Larin are in the Belgian and Dutch leagues.

And don't take the above as a criticism of Ring. I think he's been arguably one of our best players this year, and perhaps the most important acquisition we've had (that's actually a fun and difficult convo to have when you consider Johnson, Callens, Maxi, Wallace, and Ring - not saying Herrera yet since he's played 2 matches).

 

[canchon]

No we did not prioritize allocation over super draft order.

Yes Kreis did exactly this.

The draft mechanism order (to choose who had priority in each of the player selection mechanisms) went like this:

Orlando had the first selection - they took MLS Expansion draft
NYCFC picked next - Allocation order
Orlando picked next - MLS superdraft
NYCFC picked next - Kreis had his fuckup and said discovery when he wanted USL.

Kreis prioritized this because they wanted Mix - he should have realized that no way in hell Mix was going to Orlando and they could have traded something to move up. allocation order doesn't really mean anything, if player X says "I'm going to only club Y" then you bet this deal will get worked out.

Larin was the slam dunk #1 pick. Orlando already screwed up by taking expansion draft first, giving NYCFC a gift and Kreis blew it.

Here's a link that explains the order:
https://www.si.com/soccer/planet-futbol/2014/09/24/mls-expansion-priorty-draft-nycfc-orlando-city-sc

Completely separate from his screwup reading the wrong name off the list. Shows how he mis-judged the nature of the player acqusition methods.

 

[gbservis]

Don't get the lack of appreciation for Ring. He's been our second best player this year with the fall off from Harrison.

Dude is a full international and has played in the BL. In baseball, they call guys like him Quadruple A players. He's not going to feature for Bayern, but would for Herthe Berlin

Not trying to imply that I don't appreciate him, he's been great for us and I think the MLS complements the strengths of his game perfectly. Only pushing back on the $$ figures and hype being thrown around, there's no way he features for any team in a top flight league. He's here for the same reason as many others, he has considerable skill matched with a couple of key deficiencies in his game. He doesn't have the most refined touch on his passes and his shooting accuracy is umm questionable. That said neither of those things are that important for us and the things he excels at: work rate, strength, toughness and physicality are all things rewarded and amplified in the MLS. He's been an amazing pick up, I hope he stays for a long time but if you take off your NYCFC colored glasses its pretty clear why he's here and not playing for Herthe Berlin. This isnt some unknown player we dug out of south America the guy played in Bundesliga 2, if he was good enough for Herthe Berlin he'd be there right now.

ETA: TLDR: Super happy to have him on NYCFC but let's not forget the guy played in Bundesliga 2 for 4 years and has 76 apps, if he was good enough for a Bundesliga team he'd be on one.

 

[Kjbert]

No we did not prioritize allocation over super draft order, Jason Kreis had a brain fart and said the wrong thing.

First link has a clearer explanation, second link has video of the event.

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014...eis-mistake-mycfc-orlando-city-priority-draft

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the9...jason-kreis-make-a-terrible-terrible-mistake/

We knew that Larin was the real deal and wanted to snag him. Instead we got Poku who's greatest contribution to the team was getting sold for way more than he is worth. Because Jason Kreis couldn't just look down a a piece of paper to make sure he was saying the right thing.

I posit that this incident was part of the tipping point in firing Kreis. It shows that hes prone to stupid mistakes.

Being fair to Kreis though, if we had Lampard for season 1, he would probably still be our coach, the team was clearly built to have a Lampard like player poaching goals in the midfield.

Kreis was fired because he lost the superstars. That was the nail in the coffin.

 

[Annagram]

Dude played there and didn't cut it. Hell, look around this league and there are quite a few players that are performing better than him here who aren't going to Bundesliga, or EPL, or La Liga. Example, the teams going after Larin are in the Belgian and Dutch leagues.

I'm not auguring a swift move to BuLi for Ring, but I just want to point out that he was only 20 when he went to Mönchengladbach, and IMO he's now much better player than then. He is much more mature in everything he does, and would have surely gone to a team in the 1st league, had not Kaiserlautern blocked any move. At least that's what he has said himself.
What comes to Larin, I think although he's a naturally talented finisher, he might be a bit too slow for the absolute top. I've said before, that the best CB's in top leagues would probably suss him out quite soon. And then, the best teams in Belgian and Dutch leagues aren't that bad at all.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

And then, the best teams in Belgian and Dutch leagues aren't that bad at all.

He'd kill it in either of those leagues. The issue is they probably can't pay enough to justify the sale.

 

[dannd23]

Dude played there and didn't cut it. Hell, look around this league and there are quite a few players that are performing better than him here who aren't going to Bundesliga, or EPL, or La Liga. Example, the teams going after Larin are in the Belgian and Dutch leagues.

Not entirely accurate. An EPL and multiple Bundesliga sides are confirmed to have been scouting him and 1 has made an offer. And honestly, if he did move to Belgium or Netherlands, not the worst spots to jump to a top 4 league. Easier to move to a big club from one of the big clubs in those two leagues than it is from MLS.

 

[Gotham Gator]

Not entirely accurate. An EPL and multiple Bundesliga sides are confirmed to have been scouting him and 1 has made an offer. And honestly, if he did move to Belgium or Netherlands, not the worst spots to jump to a top 4 league. Easier to move to a big club from one of the big clubs in those two leagues than it is from MLS.

Stop trying to give away our One True Ring!

 

[SoupInNYC]

Not entirely accurate. An EPL and multiple Bundesliga sides are confirmed to have been scouting him and 1 has made an offer.

Oh really? I've missed this. Where is the best place to find this info at? I'm apparently not very good at Googling these things as that didn't turn up anything. Haven't heard any mention of it on the pods I listed to (SITC and NYCFC Nation)

 

[Marito]

Oh really? I've missed this. Where is the best place to find this info at? I'm apparently not very good at Googling these things as that didn't turn up anything. Haven't heard any mention of it on the pods I listed to (SITC and NYCFC Nation)

I think they may be referring to Larin and not Ring. Not sure. My 2 cents is that Larin would have good chances in a second tier European league, but would be riding pine anywhere higher. If he performs spectacularly well in that second tier league, he might get a chance elsewhere. Or a really small EPL or La Liga side, where they are really looking for someone willing to be a workhorse on defense and bag the only chance they'll get in 90 minutes. So that's the other thing: you may look good as a 9 in Feyenoord, or Rangers, or Brugge, because they have offensive volume, and then go presumably up to Swansea or Deportivo and not look as good. It is a tough world out there, and bless MLS for forced parity

 

[sbrylski]

https://www.transfermarkt.com/mattias-johansson/profil/spieler/132014

Mattias Johansson. 25. RB. Free agent.

 

[SoupInNYC]

I think they may be referring to Larin and not Ring. Not sure. My 2 cents is that Larin would have good chances in a second tier European league, but would be riding pine anywhere higher. If he performs spectacularly well in that second tier league, he might get a chance elsewhere. Or a really small EPL or La Liga side, where they are really looking for someone willing to be a workhorse on defense and bag the only chance they'll get in 90 minutes. So that's the other thing: you may look good as a 9 in Feyenoord, or Rangers, or Brugge, because they have offensive volume, and then go presumably up to Swansea or Deportivo and not look as good. It is a tough world out there, and bless MLS for forced parity

That's actually what I thought when I read his initial post, but then I realized he quoted my post about European interest in Ring.

 

[SoupInNYC]

https://www.transfermarkt.com/mattias-johansson/profil/spieler/132014

Mattias Johansson. 25. RB. Free agent.

Hmmmmmm

 

[Ulrich]

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Hmmmmmm

In all seriousness, is a RB from a league known for attacking flair & short on defense really what we're in need of?

And if we did sign him, it'd drive LionNYC crazy every game to see Johansson in the lineup only to realize at kickoff it's not Lurch.

 

[SoupInNYC]

In all seriousness, is a RB from a league known for attacking flair & short on defense really what we're in need of?

And if we did sign him, it'd drive LionNYC crazy every game to see Johansson in the lineup only to realize at kickoff it's not Lurch.

I'm not certain that is what we are in need of. But I like shiny new things.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

In all seriousness, is a RB from a league known for attacking flair & short on defense really what we're in need of?

And if we did sign him, it'd drive LionNYC crazy every game to see Johansson in the lineup only to realize at kickoff it's not Lurch.

I think we tend to overstate the need for strong defense out of our fullbacks. We've given up close to the fewest goals per game in the league with Matarrita, white and sweat at fullback, not exactly lockdown open field defenders. With the improvement in our midfield, we are not seeing teams allowed to have their defensive mids move full speed into our zone with 5 guys in front of them to choose a pass from (like vs TO in the playoffs).

For me, its fun to watch lesser known guys like white and sweat improve week to week. I think white has really imporved this year, but I would not be upset to upgrade right back with a matarrita type (especially to help move the ball up the right side to Jackie boy), and I wouldn't be worried about defense if we did.