thats the last time im going respond going back and forth about the same bullshit subject by the way. I dont agree with you, you dont agree with me. Leave it at that.
TFC Postmatch
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"We'll try to learn from this but its now happened to us several times. We have to know how to manage situations. We have a good group to do it, good players" - Maxi Moralez
On the first quoted paragraph, I don't think anyone is saying that we are a lock to win the shield or MLS Cup. Just that there is no proof that this team can't. I find that silly.
I honestly thought we played very well up until we scored our second goal, then we let our foot off the gas. I think the subs were awful and didn't help, but the team kind of gave up IMO after we had the lead. We generated many great chances and limited theirs.
I thought based on the way the game was going, our subs should have been: Lewis on for TMac. Tommy was winded and we needed someone to stretch the field. We needed to keep better possession, but we also needed an outlet for someone to run onto the ball when we needed to play it long. Then I would have brought on Pirlo. Give us some better, more meaningful possession and slow things down. With Bradley and Cooper out of their midfield, he was less likely to get physicaled off the ball.
Lastly, with 7 minutes left, bring in Brillant. I know a lot of people don't like him, but I will point again that when he's brought on in the last 10', we have not conceded. He would have won that ball in the air that led to the penalty, or rather Sweat wouldn't have been there and it would have been Chanot or Callens there.
Headed to Puerto Vallarta for a wedding and hope to have enough mezcal to forget about last night's disappointment.
I vehemently dismiss the notion that it's "proven" that this team and lineup cannot win the cup. This team played well then shit the bed. Other teams have done that. Hopefully we won't do that in the playoffs.
Let's see how this team responds on Saturday.
MLS is a parity league where anyone can beat anyone on any given week. In Europe generally the teams that win the league lose 5 games or less these days. In MLS you can lose 10 or even more and still win the league. Play off format means the ultimate winner is usually the team that is most in form and has the least injuries. Last night was frustrating and discouraging but says nothing definitive about how we'll perform in November.
is anything ever definitive in sports? i think you guys are taking the literal definition of the word "proof" and running away with it.
So then what did you mean by it? You've used that term that it has been proven that this team/lineup can't win the Cup. Is there some other way I should interpret that?
Not gonna dive into too much on player performances, and I don't have a ton of time today, so I've skipped several pages on this thread, but outside of his horrible marking on TFC's first goal, I thought Jack had a great first half, including a wonderful play to set up Villa on his goal.
But then I thought he had an equally atrocious second half.
But then I thought he had an equally atrocious second half.
It seems very evident that this lineup cannot win the cup. We can beat any team and we can lose to any scrub team, that is not a formula for winning in the playoffs. It will get you through the regular season just fine.
I have liked Vieira. he's done nice things with some players, but he is far from the best strategic coach in the league. Credit to him for instilling the 433 and playing fromt he back, I love the style, but he gets outcoached way too many times, with teams outplaying us despite having less talent. Last night was a perfect example. Credit to Vanney. Olsen did it earlier this year, too.
Ok, I am just failing to see the evidence then that this team can't do it. Should we be favorites to? Definitely not.
But we're talking about just a couple of games in October/November. I absolutely think this team and current lineup is more than capable of winning it all.
i agree with you 100 percent. part of that problem is we are his first ever coaching assignment so hes still learning with us. And while he learns were dropping points. I still think hell get it together.
youre more optimistic than me and thats great. (not being sarcastic) Still dont think that makes my opinion as invalid because its just that, an opinion.
i think we've more than covered our opinions on the matter though, are we okay to move on?
I see your point, but I think it's slightly different.
I'm not sure Vanney or Olsen out coached PV in the sense that they outsmarted him. But moreso, PV outsmarted himself and hence was then outcoached.
Nuance for sure, but I guess I'm saying that PV hurt himself more than Olsen or Vanney being more clever.
Which IMO makes it more frustrating
Not saying your opinion is invalid. But you're often presenting it as a fact, "proven this team can't win", "evident that this team can not win the cup", etc. etc.
ill try to be more clear with the words i choose (still not being sarcastic)
Oh, and one more thing. This team has its faults, but the sky isn't falling.
My brother is a big Chicago Fire fan and he has a relatively similar temperament as I do I would say in regards to his fandom with them.
Apparently according to their general fan base, their team is complete shit because they lost to FC Cincy.
I don't know any TFC fans, but wouldn't be surprised if some of them thought similarly when they lost 3-1 with their full squad to Dallas without Acosta and Hedges.
My brother is a big Chicago Fire fan and he has a relatively similar temperament as I do I would say in regards to his fandom with them.
Apparently according to their general fan base, their team is complete shit because they lost to FC Cincy.
I don't know any TFC fans, but wouldn't be surprised if some of them thought similarly when they lost 3-1 with their full squad to Dallas without Acosta and Hedges.
Player development is extremely difficult to parse out and assign to a coach. That's not disagreeing with you I just go back and forth on whether it's possible to attribute anything to PV as far as raising anyone's game and how much is down to natural development/opportunity/system. Curious who you feel he has developed to perform better individually or who "his" system guys are
Gotta think White and Sweat are two that come to mind. White had definitely looked better this year to last year. Don't really have anything to compare to for Sweat, but since he hadn't managed to get MLS time with any other team, he must be playing better
i will give credit to mikey lopez for the run and ball he played to herrera. that was his only contribution in the past 2 seasons with us. thats all i have to say really.
