Toronto - Postmatch

[Kjbert]

Villa is pressing now. He's been mediocre this year.

If you're going to get on Berget for his finishing, then I hope the Maxi fan boys go after Maxi as well.

Watching Berget yesterday, its obvious he's best used as a CF in MLS.

It was refreshing to see a tactical switch at halftime.

I bet we score a lot of goals in the two weeks Villa is supposed to be gone.

How do we reincorporate Villa into this side when he comes back? Maxi as the 8 with Ring protecting the backline? Villa and Berget partnering with Shradi and Medina wide?

 

[Dnigly13]

There's maybe some argument here. But I still think it was far enough extended and provided a clear advantage to TFC.


Sorry, but this part is one of my pet-peeves. Ball-to-arm is irrelevant. I have only seen one arm-to-ball play (Suarez against Ghana in 2010).

Germany vs USA 2002????

 

[canchon]

There's maybe some argument here. But I still think it was far enough extended and provided a clear advantage to TFC.


Sorry, but this part is one of my pet-peeves. Ball-to-arm is irrelevant. I have only seen one arm-to-ball play (Suarez against Ghana in 2010).

Ball-to-arm? He literally blocked the cross going back across the box with his arm.

 

[canchon]

Several more things from the game:

-Holy moly what is wrong with Toronto? I was waiting for the inevitable response and it never came. Giovinco was the most invisible I have ever saw him, even badly mishitting some crosses (like shanking them out of bounds) late in the game. He was deployed as the lone forward (which he is not), Toronto did look a little bit better after Ricketts came in to have another forward to play off (and to occupy the CBs so they couldn’t keep just bombing forward). I was waiting for the inevitable “Toronto finds a way” - especially after the Vasquez goal - but it never happened.

-Berget has such a good tactical IQ, if only he wasn’t so clumsy. He is great at running the channels, playing with his back to goal and contesting 50-50 balls, opening up space...if only his control/finishing was better. His anticipation when Maxi got the ball and turning on the jets to beat the defender wide for the second goal was class though.

-Isi was a terror on that wing. He is getting close to having his name on ink in the team sheet.

-how about that bombing run forward from Callens all the way into the opponents 18? Nuts.

 

[SoupInNYC]

Germany vs USA 2002????

Wasn't his arm already there? I don't think he moved his arm to block the ball.

 

[SoupInNYC]

Ball-to-arm? He literally blocked the cross going back across the box with his arm.

Yeah, but isn't that still "ball-to-arm"? I think it should have been a penalty. All I'm saying is that I don't think "ball-to-arm" or "arm-to-ball" is relevant.

 

[LeeNYCFC]

-Berget has such a good tactical IQ, if only he wasn’t so clumsy. He is great at running the channels, playing with his back to goal and contesting 50-50 balls, opening up space...if only his control/finishing was better. His anticipation when Maxi got the ball and turning on the jets to beat the defender wide for the second goal was class though.

But, if Berget was a consistent finisher, if Ring could direct more than 1 shot a year on frame, if Maxi was 5’10”, etc they aren’t here at this point. Hopefully Berget does take yesterday and either gets a run of confidence or luck, he deserves it. We’re almost halfway home, a hot streak and 9 or 10 goals by the end of the regular season would be enough for me.

 

[dummyrun]

Yeah, but isn't that still "ball-to-arm"? I think it should have been a penalty. All I'm saying is that I don't think "ball-to-arm" or "arm-to-ball" is relevant.

I'd love to read an article where somebody surveys refs on the status of all these unwritten addenda fans read into the penalty rule.

 

[LionNYC]

JayH with a lot of FaceTime on the highlights.

Man, LionNYC , you really do need to step it up.

I am no one.

 

[SoupInNYC]

But, if Berget was a consistent finisher, if Ring could direct more than 1 shot a year on frame, if Maxi was 5’10”, etc they aren’t here at this point. Hopefully Berget does take yesterday and either gets a run of confidence or luck, he deserves it. We’re almost halfway home, a hot streak and 9 or 10 goals by the end of the regular season would be enough for me.

The last game Berget scored in (RSL), the immediate game after was at Atlanta and he played very well there. Drew the penalty with a wonderful dribble move (actually a shocker that he pulled that off considering how clumsy he can be), and had that wonderful strike cutting in to his right that Guzan pushed over the bar.

 

[Ulrich]

I'd love to read an article where somebody surveys refs on the status of all these unwritten addenda fans read into the penalty rule.

It depends on if they’re ref’ing a common MLS match or one with Atlanta, because if Atlanta had crossed that ball yesterday, not only would it have been a PK, but the ref would have sent the player to the showers for an intentional handball Red.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I feel like this is one of those 50-50 calls where it’s so subjective.

I just thought it leaned more towards being a PK because he also had his other arm back, and the ball hit that arm as well

https://twitter.com/x/status/1011013687073824770

On the handball thing, I heard or read somewhere just in the past couple of days that FIFA instruction to refs is that when a defender is going to ground, a ball that hits the ground side arm is not a handball. If it hits the defender’s top arm and it’s away from his body, it would be a handball.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I am no one.

Not true. You’re a mod, damnit.

 

[twsj91]

On the handball thing, I heard or read somewhere just in the past couple of days that FIFA instruction to refs is that when a defender is going to ground, a ball that hits the ground side arm is not a handball. If it hits the defender’s top arm and it’s away from his body, it would be a handball.

Pretty sure that was during the Korea/Mexico match

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Pretty sure that was during the Korea/Mexico match

Plausible. That was definitely the context it was brought up in, so seems right.

 

[mgarbowski]

On the handball thing, I heard or read somewhere just in the past couple of days that FIFA instruction to refs is that when a defender is going to ground, a ball that hits the ground side arm is not a handball. If it hits the defender’s too arm and it’s away from his body, it would be a handball.

This makes a certain sense.
I'm fairly sure that over the years I have read or heard that any defender who goes to ground assumes the risk of a handball, that the exact same incidents are presumably not handballs unless the arm was in an unnatural position, that arm on the ground is clean and arm raised is not (even though you naturally do both when sliding). I like the near side far side rule because it requires defenders to shield the far side arm with their body or deal with the consequences, though it can allow for some nonsense on the near side. I have also seen all of these "rules" implemented in actual calls. This is one reason I put ref calls into category 1 of the Serenity Prayer. The is no payoff to getting worked up about many of them, because there's so much damn leeway and nothing one can do.
Also, I thought Elfath waited and communicated with the VAR ref after the incident and before starting play. Unless the VAR official told him it was obviously wrong, he had no reason to look. Further, because there are so many conflicting rules and discretion allowed, it was never a good VAR appeal because the issue was not whether the ball hit the hand, but whether the ball hitting the hand was a violation. Judgment calls are not particularly good VAR candidates.

 

[mgarbowski]

I am no one.

Upon further review I'm pretty sure I did see you at the end.

 

[roxfontaine]

I already love that Dome is talking the players up. I don't think Vieira necessarily talked them down but I can certainly see where Dome is going as far as man management. I also love the changes he's made already in such a short amount of time. The team seems far for me free to me and the ball moved forward much more quickly overall and play was much more varied and creative. I'm excited to see how this team develops as he settles in fully.

 

[Ulrich]

On the handball thing, I heard or read somewhere just in the past couple of days that FIFA instruction to refs is that when a defender is going to ground, a ball that hits the ground side arm is not a handball. If it hits the defender’s top arm and it’s away from his body, it would be a handball.

I’m not doubting you, but that’s a horrible new interpretation because the defender’s “body” is larger with the arm outstretched.

Eta: and to add, that twitter replay of the infraction showed in the second view, from the 1st base line, that the ball litterally changed velocity and direction with the touch by the defender - it stopped a few feet behind him. If the rule interpretation is to protect the player who’s obviously protecting themselves as the go to ground, that’s fine, but the action shouldn’t affect the ball’s vector in an obviously beneficial way.

 

[SoupInNYC]

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anyone as worried about something, as Berget was about retrieving the ball after his first goal.