1. Thank you for visiting our NYCFC forum! We invite you to REGISTER and join our growing member base in discussion! Registered members can join competitions and win monthly prizes. So what are you waiting for!? Join us! This is a great MLS community where you can discuss New York City Football Club and other MLS football teams as well as international and other domestic league teams.
  2. Use your NYCFC Forums Credits or 'Dan Bucks' to remove the ads.

    Use Credits or Become A Donor

USMNT Talk

Discussion in 'Other Football' started by MyBoyVilla, Mar 27, 2014.

  1. MyBoyVilla

    MyBoyVilla Junior Member

    Messages:
    650
    Likes Received:
    450
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Manhattan
    I am sure many of us are diehard USMNT fans. I can say that the 2010 World Cup inspired me to be more than just a casual fan of the sport. We got a few friendlies before the World Cup, including one in NY (okay New Jersey) that I plan to attend.

    I wonder how the final roster is going to shake out, as there are a number of positions that are not fully solidified. I think the starting XI in Brazil ends up:

    --------------Altidore
    F Johnson-Dempsey-Donovan
    ----------Jones-Bradley
    Beasley-Besler-Gonzo-Cameron
    ------------Howard

    I think we stand a chance against anyone with that lineup, although how great a chance is yet to be determined. Hopefully we gain some momentum with the home friendlies and make a surprise run.
     
  2. NYCFCFan10

    NYCFCFan10 Active Member

    Messages:
    2,476
    Likes Received:
    2,410
    Trophy Points:
    243
    Yeah, we got a chance against anyone if Altidore finds last year's form in a hurry at the WC.

    That said, I think the next generation of players definitely has the chance to take us much higher.

    Guys like Julian Green, Gedion Zelalom, Haji Wright, Luis Gil, Juan Agudelo, DeAndre Yedlin, Erik Palmer-Brown

    Those young guys with the old guard of Clint Dempsey, Michael Bradley, Jozy Altidore, Aron Johannsson, Mix Diskerud, Fabian Johnson, Graham Zusi, Matt Besler, and Omar Gonzalez should make for a pretty tough team to beat in 2018.

    Of course, who knows how many talents will pop up between now and then.
     
  3. NYCFC_Dan

    NYCFC_Dan Senior Member Staff Member Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    5,957
    Likes Received:
    11,535
    Trophy Points:
    303
    Location:
    Tampa, Florida
    I'm a supporter of the USMNT but I don't follow them too much. I certainly cheer for the team and wish them the best in competition but my team is Croatia/Bosnia.
    When US isn't playing the two of them I'm cheering them on.

    The team has done wonders for soccer in the states. I go to the fields all the time and its great seeing upwards of 50 kids learning the game and having fun.
    Howard said in a recent interview that they will need to play 3 PERFECT games in order to stand a chance at making it through. Obviously not a knock on the US simply a praise for their competition, which is world class.
     
    Christopher Jee likes this.
  4. D_RoyJenkins

    D_RoyJenkins Active Member Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    1,577
    Likes Received:
    3,019
    Trophy Points:
    253
    I don't know why you included Zelalem in that list, its very long shot he plays for us.
     
  5. NYCFCFan10

    NYCFCFan10 Active Member

    Messages:
    2,476
    Likes Received:
    2,410
    Trophy Points:
    243
    There's a will...from both Zelalem and USSF. There will be a way. The kid just turned down Germany's attempt to cap tie him. That's pretty significant.

    On MLSsoccer, they said that now that JK has Green, he's turning his attention to Gedion. My understanding of the situation is that its only a USSF rule standing between them and Gedion...
     
  6. D_RoyJenkins

    D_RoyJenkins Active Member Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    1,577
    Likes Received:
    3,019
    Trophy Points:
    253
    We don't know if there's a will from Zelalem, he turned down his call up because of important matches with the Arsenal U-17 squad. His situation is complicated because he isn't a US citizen. To get US citizenship he would have to give up his German citizenship which means he would lose his EU rights, and that would complicate things with Arsenal.
     
  7. Falastur

    Falastur Senior Member Staff Member Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    3,330
    Likes Received:
    4,419
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Location:
    Herts, UK
    Does the USSF actually require players to be citizens in order to play for the national team? That's certainly not the case in Europe.
     
  8. NYCFCFan10

    NYCFCFan10 Active Member

    Messages:
    2,476
    Likes Received:
    2,410
    Trophy Points:
    243
    Yep.

    That's what I mean, a change of a rule on our end and this thing isn't a problem.
    I've heard that before, have no idea what they're talking about. Last I checked there were plenty of Africans, Asians, and Americans playing in Europe without a hitch....so what the hell is everyone talking about?
     
  9. Falastur

    Falastur Senior Member Staff Member Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    3,330
    Likes Received:
    4,419
    Trophy Points:
    353
    Location:
    Herts, UK
    Not everyone working in the UK/Europe has the same rights - it must be the same for you in America. If you are a citizen of one of the EU states, you have the legal right to work in any country of the EU and to transfer between them as often as you like without any restrictions whatsoever. A lot of EU countries (not the UK, mind) have even abolished border crossings and no longer stop you on the national borders to check your identity. In other words, "once you're in, you're in".

    However, US citizenship works on the basis that you can only be American or not-American - if you naturalise to be a US citizen the US authorities require you to renounce your previous citizenship(s). That means you lose any entitlements you had to live and work in the EU. For those who have no EU citizenships, they can only get work inside the EU via "work permits", and because many states of the EU are being overfilled by levels of immigration our countries can't cope with, national governments are therefore getting very strict on work permit rules - in order to qualify for a work permit you basically have to prove that you can do the job better than an EU citizen could.

    In football, this equates to clubs having to lobby their national governments to justify their inclusion in their squads. If the government isn't convinced that the player is an "outstanding talent", or they haven't been played in the majority of their national team's senior games recently, they will be denied a WP.

    To cut a long story short, if Zalelem takes US citizenship, he risks being told to leave the UK.
     
    NYCFC_Dan likes this.
  10. NYCFC_Dan

    NYCFC_Dan Senior Member Staff Member Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    5,957
    Likes Received:
    11,535
    Trophy Points:
    303
    Location:
    Tampa, Florida
    Also, the reason Green and I'm sure Zalelem did not take to the German team is they more than likely wouldn't see playing time. Green would not start, or maybe even see the pitch, in Germany as opposed to being able to win the spot for the US.
    Zalelem is another story. Like mentioned above he's jeopardizing a lot by joining a team he more than likely wont see the pitch for.
     
  11. MyBoyVilla

    MyBoyVilla Junior Member

    Messages:
    650
    Likes Received:
    450
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Manhattan
    Howard is having an absolutely superb game at Fulham. Kept the game at 1-1 with some magnificent saves, and looks like Everton keep their Champions League dream alive. If he plays like this in Brazil he will be hard to beat.
     
  12. NYCFCFan10

    NYCFCFan10 Active Member

    Messages:
    2,476
    Likes Received:
    2,410
    Trophy Points:
    243
    I understand that but it doesn't really matter.

    A player just on the cusp of Germany's A-team is going to be absolutely killer regardless.
     
    NYCFC_Dan likes this.
  13. NYCFC_Dan

    NYCFC_Dan Senior Member Staff Member Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    5,957
    Likes Received:
    11,535
    Trophy Points:
    303
    Location:
    Tampa, Florida
    Oh he'll make an impact for the US for sure. I just believe the reason he choose the US over Germany is because he knew there would be little if any playing time for him in Germany. Exposure is everything.
     
  14. MyBoyVilla

    MyBoyVilla Junior Member

    Messages:
    650
    Likes Received:
    450
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Manhattan
    How ugly is this:

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Vito

    Vito Active Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    1,845
    Likes Received:
    1,992
    Trophy Points:
    243
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Can't stand our new World Cup jerseys. The whites look like golf polos and these are the wrong color. We're navy and a dark red, not royal blue and a bright red
     
  16. MyBoyVilla

    MyBoyVilla Junior Member

    Messages:
    650
    Likes Received:
    450
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Manhattan
    Both are awful. I really liked the Waldos and I want to buy one, but I can't find them anywhere.
     
  17. einwindir

    einwindir Senior Member Staff Member Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    2,626
    Likes Received:
    2,501
    Trophy Points:
    323
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    If I didn't know this was USMNT I would've sworn it was a new kit for the French.
    [​IMG]

    Let's hope it's an April Fool's joke....
     
  18. Vito

    Vito Active Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

    Messages:
    1,845
    Likes Received:
    1,992
    Trophy Points:
    243
    Location:
    New Jersey
    I have one of the candy cane jerseys and I love it. I don't understand why we switched from that to these
     
  19. MyBoyVilla

    MyBoyVilla Junior Member

    Messages:
    650
    Likes Received:
    450
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Manhattan
    Wanna sell it to me ;)
     
  20. Mike Demko

    Mike Demko Newbie

    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Ohhhh they're not bad, everyone is overreacting
     

Share This Page