Vancouver Postmatch

[EganSoccerWords]

Patrick is costing us points. I have watched every now condensed game this season but I can't really recall another team subbing in a CB or making backline changes like we do except for the Jelle Van Damme sub earlier this year.

I love him from as a coach and I think there is alot of value in his philosophy, but the in game tactics and subs have been an big issue. We win this game and against RSL, we are #1 in the Shield standings.

 

[Gotham Gator]

Patrick is costing us points. I have watched every now condensed game this season but I can't really recall another team subbing in a CB or making backline changes like we do except for the Jelle Van Damme sub earlier this year.

I love him from as a coach and I think there is alot of value in his philosophy, but the in game tactics and subs have been an big issue. We win this game and against RSL, we are #1 in the Shield standings.

This is why I think Coach V is very talented and promising as a coach, but also very raw and prone to mistakes - mistakes that he will presumably learn from and that will help make him better as time goes by. I've also heard it suggested that he knows he has a long leash here, so he can take risks and try things out in ways that he won't be able to do once he has a job in a top flight European league.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

This is why I think Coach V is very talented and promising as a coach, but also very raw and prone to mistakes - mistakes that he will presumably learn from and that will help make him better as time goes by. I've also heard it suggested that he knows he has a long leash here, so he can take risks and try things out in ways that he won't be able to do once he has a job in a top flight European league.

Sure but at the same time shouldn't we have someone that has first team coaching experience on the bench to help him out in these situations as well?

 

[Joseph Bianco]

Vieira is a terrible in game coach. I'm not just basing that on our last game i'm basing that off of his decision making during his tenure with the club. We have dropped many points do to his inability to make the correct decisions close out games.

I haven't given up on him and i dont know if theres a better option out there right now, but he definitely still has a lot to learn.

 

[franchise646]

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Vieira is a terrible in game coach. I'm not just basing that on our last game i'm basing that off of his decision making during his tenure with the club. We have dropped many points do to his inability to make the correct decisions close out games.

I haven't given up on him and i dont know if theres a better option out there right now, but he definitely still has a lot to learn.

I wonder how much that is based on the options he has. Our bench has to be the worst of any team in the league. We literally do not have competent backups to many positions.

 

[Ulrich]

I wonder how much that is based on the options he has. Our bench has to be the worst of any team in the league. We literally do not have competent backups to many positions.

True, but he's made some very weird non-like4like subs and the amount of bunkering early on in some games (when we've controlled possession) is baffling. There are many ways to protect a lead, and we're not built to bunker.

 

[D_RoyJenkins]

Vieira is a terrible in game coach. I'm not just basing that on our last game i'm basing that off of his decision making during his tenure with the club. We have dropped many points do to his inability to make the correct decisions close out games.

I haven't given up on him and i dont know if theres a better option out there right now, but he definitely still has a lot to learn.

Spot on, we have to remember that this is his first coaching job with real consequences. As frustrating as his subs are, he has a great eye for talent and he's a great motivator. Our mental toughness is leaps and bounds better than it was under Kreis.

 

[Seven]

Vieira is a terrible in game coach. I'm not just basing that on our last game i'm basing that off of his decision making during his tenure with the club. We have dropped many points do to his inability to make the correct decisions close out games.

I haven't given up on him and i dont know if theres a better option out there right now, but he definitely still has a lot to learn.

He has had just as many games this year where he has made great subs. San Jose and Philly (at home) are two that I immediately think of. Heck, even vs Minnesota, the Lopez sub at RB that I was rolling my eyes at worked out pretty well.

I agree he has a lot to learn, but to say he is terrible is an overreaction. Which I guess means you are in the perfect location for that.

 

[canchon]

Bringing in Okoli in the Seattle game was another good sub that helped create a different look which opened space for Villa for the winning goal.

But yeah, PV really Osorio'd the subs in the last game. Cost them points.

 

[JayH]

Some of the difficulty of in-game coaching in MLS is understanding how to manage the drop off from starter to bench warmer, as well as how to accept that some of your players may not have the experience, soccer brains or tactical acumen to seamlessly adjust to a formation or tactical change on the fly. As for the latter, all it takes is one confused player to spoil the broth. I think that some of PV's mistakes are based upon overestimating our overall talent and smarts. I don't want him to abandon the thoughtful creativity that he has brought to this team, I just look forward to him getting the balance right

 

[bgt5002]

Doing more with less in MLS is not easy. I think a lot of his tactics would irritatingly translate well in a decent league in Europe, where the drop off from starter to bench isn't as dramatic. Either way, he's our man so here's hoping he gets it together.

 

[Christopher Jee]

I think this is all very generous (what forum am I on?), but probably doesn't explain all of his in-game decision making. You don't see many coaches in even the top leagues breaking up their top CB partnership to play somebody out of position when more obvious choices exist on the bench, for example.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

I think this is all very generous (what forum am I on?), but probably doesn't explain all of his in-game decision making. You don't see many coaches in even the top leagues breaking up their top CB partnership to play somebody out of position when more obvious choices exist on the bench, for example.

My only hope is that he's finally realized the more obvious choice in that case would have been worse than what he did.

 

[Christopher Jee]

My only hope is that he's finally realized the more obvious choice in that case would have been worse than what he did.

It would have been worse to try Maxi / Mikey / Lewis for Herrera?

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

It would have been worse to try Maxi / Mikey / Lewis for Herrera?

Lewis he obviously doesn't rate at all, Maxi he obviously thought wasn't fit for more than 10 minutes, so that leaves one other choice which I would argue is the worst choice any coach could make in the whole league.

 

[Ulrich]

Lewis he obviously doesn't rate at all, Maxi he obviously thought wasn't fit for more than 10 minutes, so that leaves one other choice which I would argue is the worst choice any coach could make in the whole league.

When Hererra went down, we were holding a lead and didn't need to create or take the game to them haphazardly - just needed to stay competitive in the midfield and disrupt their transitions. While not my favorite player when ranking skills, Mikey was still the right guy to bring in so as not to force a change in shape.

 

[Christopher Jee]

When Hererra went down, we were holding a lead and didn't need to create or take the game to them haphazardly - just needed to stay competitive in the midfield and disrupt their transitions. While not my favorite player when ranking skills, Mikey was still the right guy to bring in so as not to force a change in shape.

Would still have gone Maxi to keep the foot on the pedal and give him minutes. I think he also presses harder than Lopez but gets less credit for it because it isn't his dominant characteristic.

 

[D_RoyJenkins]

Lewis he obviously doesn't rate at all, Maxi he obviously thought wasn't fit for more than 10 minutes, so that leaves one other choice which I would argue is the worst choice any coach could make in the whole league.

We gave up garber bucks for Lewis, he better rate him

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Would still have gone Maxi to keep the foot on the pedal and give him minutes. I think he also presses harder than Lopez but gets less credit for it because it isn't his dominant characteristic.

Would either have done that or not played Maxi at all. I just assumed we weren't going to play him when we made those donkey subs.