Ben Sweat [Defender]

Falastur · Feb 28, 2017

Name: Benjamin Sweat
Joined Club: 02/23/2017
Position: Defender

Signed on a free during 2017 pre-season after being released by the Tampa Bay Rowdies.

MLSSoccer profile:
http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/ben-sweat
Twitter:
https://twitter.com/22BenSweat
Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sweat

Gotham Gator · May 8, 2017

http://nypost.com/2017/05/06/nycfc-defender-gets-his-chance-after-not-getting-a-fair-shake/

Annagram · Jun 9, 2017

Ben Sweat has got 34% of votes in the Etihad Player of the Month for May: https://www.nycfc.com/post/2017/06/09/chanot-named-etihad-player-month-may-0

I understand that Russians would want to tamper the presidential election in the US and France, but even the NYCFC Player of the Month vote...

JJJSMAC · Jun 9, 2017

Ben was nice enough to sign this photo for me and we had a pretty good laugh about it. Cool guy.

NYCFC_Dan · Jun 10, 2017

Annagram said:
Ben Sweat has got 34% of votes in the Etihad Player of the Month for May: https://www.nycfc.com/post/2017/06/09/chanot-named-etihad-player-month-may-0

I understand that Russians would want to tamper the presidential election in the US and France, but even the NYCFC Player of the Month vote...

Why... why was Ben even an option? Who puts this together?

Annagram · Jul 10, 2017

I really think the Russian hackers are going too far.

https://www.nycfc.com/post/2017/07/10/sweat-named-junes-etihad-player-month

Tom in Fairfield CT · Jul 10, 2017

Annagram said:
I really think the Russian hackers are going too far.

https://www.nycfc.com/post/2017/07/10/sweat-named-junes-etihad-player-month

Not saying whoscored is definitive, but he's been our top player from their rankings in june

People are way too hard on a guy getting his first shot in the league in a very difficult system to pick up.

dannd23 · Jul 10, 2017

For his abilities, I think it is a fair statement that he maximized them and his chances in the month of June.

Annagram · Jul 10, 2017

No, I think he maximized the power of his voting relatives. Come on, one fluky goal apart, Ben Sweat wasn't worth tying David Villa's laces in June. You can take him out of the squad any time, and no one will notice the difference, but can you do the same with Villa, Ring or Harrison? Or the others who weren't on the vote (like Chanot, Callens, Johnson, even McNamara)?

On the other hand, it is only a fun vote. So, I'll happily allow it for him if it makes him & pals happy.

Christopher Jee · Jul 10, 2017

Annagram said:
No, I think he maximized the power of his voting relatives. Come on, one fluky goal apart, Ben Sweat wasn't worth tying David Villa's laces in June. You can take him out of the squad any time, and no one will notice the difference, but can you do the same with Villa, Ring or Harrison? Or the others who weren't on the vote (like Chanot, Callens, Johnson, even McNamara)?

On the other hand, it is only a fun vote. So, I'll happily allow it for him if it makes him & pals happy.

If you normalize for expectations, it's well earned. Most Surprisingly Good Player of the Month doesn't quite have the same ring to it. Maybe Paddy's Special Prize would work better.

dannd23 · Jul 10, 2017

Annagram said:
No, I think he maximized the power of his voting relatives. Come on, one fluky goal apart, Ben Sweat wasn't worth tying David Villa's laces in June. You can take him out of the squad any time, and no one will notice the difference, but can you do the same with Villa, Ring or Harrison? Or the others who weren't on the vote (like Chanot, Callens, Johnson, even McNamara)?

On the other hand, it is only a fun vote. So, I'll happily allow it for him if it makes him & pals happy.

I think we agree he did not deserve to win player of the month. Chanot, Callens, Johnson, Villa, Jack, and Ring were all better. I guess all I'm trying to say is, Ben Sweat talently speaking is very limited, and he fully maximized his utility this past month. A goal, three assists as a LB are damn good and there's no chance any of the other healthy players on our roster who have played outside back this year would have done as well (Allen, White, Lopez, idk who else)

LionNYC · Jul 10, 2017

dannd23 said:
I think we agree he did not deserve to win player of the month. Chanot, Callens, Johnson, Villa, Jack, and Ring were all better. I guess all I'm trying to say is, Ben Sweat talently speaking is very limited, and he fully maximized his utility this past month. A goal, three assists as a LB are damn good and there's no chance any of the other healthy players on our roster who have played outside back this year would have done as well (Allen, White, Lopez, idk who else)

This. This is always a question for me choosing the player of the match. Is it the best player on the day or the player that played most above their expectations. I expect Villa to score a goal. I don't expect Ben Sweat to have a goal and assist and do his defensive duties to keep a clean sheet.

Midas Mulligan · Jul 10, 2017

LionNYC said:
do his defensive duties to keep a clean sheet.

Don't typically have to even concern yourself with that one.

Rimil · Jul 11, 2017

dannd23 said:
Ben Sweat talently speaking is very limited, and he fully maximized his utility this past month.

So what is the player of the month award for? Is it for the best player or the player who achieves the most off his base talent. If its the later then rename it Etihad utility player of the month award. I thought it was MVP of the month in which case the answer is never ben sweat, sorry buddy, to much talent ahead of you.

Annagram · Jul 11, 2017

Rimil said:
So what is the player of the month award for? Is it for the best player or the player who achieves the most off his base talent. If its the later then rename it Etihad utility player of the month award. I thought it was MVP of the month in which case the answer is never ben sweat, sorry buddy, to much talent ahead of you.

To maximize the logic of picking the player who's playing the highest above his own level, we could say that John Stertzer should have been the Etihad Player of the Month, because he achieved his 15 minutes of infamy despite being way too weak player to even make the bench, or the team.

dannd23 · Jul 11, 2017

Annagram said:
To maximize the logic of picking the player who's playing the highest above his own level, we could say that John Stertzer should have been the Etihad Player of the Month, because he achieved his 15 minutes of infamy despite being way too weak player to even make the bench, or the team.

So you are going to compare a player that you admit played 15 minutes for us and never makes the 18 to a player who started and played all but 25 minutes in June. He had multiple assists and a goal. I bold this because you seem to ignore this fact.

If you can't accept the fact that it doesn't necessarily go to the MVP (because then Villa would win every single one), take it up in a different thread. Look at past winners. They include Villa and Lampard, they also include Ballouchy, Saunders, RJAllen.

If you can't admit that Sweat at least played well for us this past month, then it is because of preconceived notions about the player that I am sure everyone here has shared at some point. I know I thought "awe shit" the first time I saw him in the XI

Rimil · Jul 11, 2017

dannd23 said:
So you are going to compare a player that you admit played 15 minutes for us and never makes the 18 to a player who started and played all but 25 minutes in June. He had multiple assists and a goal. I bold this because you seem to ignore this fact.

If you can't accept the fact that it doesn't necessarily go to the MVP (because then Villa would win every single one), take it up in a different thread. Look at past winners. They include Villa and Lampard, they also include Ballouchy, Saunders, RJAllen.

If you can't admit that Sweat at least played well for us this past month, then it is because of preconceived notions about the player that I am sure everyone here has shared at some point. I know I thought "awe shit" the first time I saw him in the XI

you didn't explain why you made the sentence in the second paragraph bold. You set a precedent, I expect you to follow it.

Anyway, the list of players you have in there has officially told me this award is a farce and no future mention of it should ever be credited to a player's thread. Alert me when something really special happens to a player, cause this award is doo-doo now.

Annagram · Jul 12, 2017

dannd23 said:
So you are going to compare a player that you admit played 15 minutes for us and never makes the 18 to a player who started and played all but 25 minutes in June. He had multiple assists and a goal. I bold this because you seem to ignore this fact.

No, I'm not comparing anyone, but intentionally wanted to point out the illogical argument with a nearly absurd example. I underlined that with a smiley. If you couldn't read that, you obviously lack a sense of humour.

mgarbowski · Jun 10, 2018

Congratulations to Ben and his bride.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1005986116137357312

LionNYC · Jun 10, 2018

mgarbowski said:
Congratulations to Ben and his bride.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1005986116137357312

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