COVID-19 - Leagues Suspended

If they can play a 26-game season or something, only missing a few games but still getting a mostly full season, I see no reason why we wouldn't be able to have a real season. No asterisk is needed. Teams have won shortened seasons before in other American sports leagues, and no one puts an asterisk on those championships. I don't see why this would be any different.

For example, in 1981 there was an MLB strike, the Dodgers don't have an asterisk. In NHL, they only played 48 games in 2012-13, they still crowned a champion and there's no asterisk there. If we play at least 66% of the season (22 games), I see nothing wrong with it. Even a 18 or 20-game season would still feel complete to me.

I agree with you. I just think if they have to play at one location while quarantining and behind closed doors, does that really qualify as playing most of the season? Yes, technically they are playing games. But it just doesn't seem like it should count, imho. I know not everyone is going to agree and that's ok. I'm not trying to say anyone else is wrong.

I would love to see an actual season played, even shortened, vs a tournament. I think it'd be better overall. But if they are truly thinking of keeping everyone at a single location, a tournament setup seems more logical and if it's a tournament setup, then is it really MLS cup? We'll see what happens, I guess.

I just want to see some games already! I've been watching replays on youtube of UCL games and it's just not the same...
 
I agree with you. I just think if they have to play at one location while quarantining and behind closed doors, does that really qualify as playing most of the season? Yes, technically they are playing games. But it just doesn't seem like it should count, imho. I know not everyone is going to agree and that's ok. I'm not trying to say anyone else is wrong.

I would love to see an actual season played, even shortened, vs a tournament. I think it'd be better overall. But if they are truly thinking of keeping everyone at a single location, a tournament setup seems more logical and if it's a tournament setup, then is it really MLS cup? We'll see what happens, I guess.

I just want to see some games already! I've been watching replays on youtube of UCL games and it's just not the same...

It's certainly not going to be normal by any stretch, but I think even a quarantined, one-location season is still a season. It's certainly weird and I don't know how they'd fit all those games into one location (How do you squeeze 13 games a week into one stadium), but I still think it's a legitimate season.

Listen, we're not going to have fans at any American sporting event until probably some time next year. So if there are no fans, I'm not sure it matters in what stadium the games are played in. Hell, go play games in Central Park for all I care -- with no fans, I'm not sure why it would be a big deal to have teams flying all over the country. Might as well keep them all together and just bang out a season.
 
I spent 90 minutes attending a call-in court hearing in a bankruptcy court in Charlotte, NC yesterday, while wearing my PJs. About 30 minutes of the call involved a discussion of the logistics of conducting an upcoming Skype/Zoom bankruptcy plan confirmation hearing, which is expected to be pretty much everything a full trial involves (but no jury). We're going to do it.
I hope the judge was presiding from his/her sofa also in PJs. Or PJs under the robes.
 
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First ManU vowed not to increase prices, and now they're allowing players to decide when they feel safe to return. ManU again takes the lead with player health & safety. This on the heels of Sergio Aguero voicing concerns about restarting.

 
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First ManU vowed not to increase prices, and now they're allowing players to decide when they feel safe to return. ManU again takes the lead with player health & safety. This on the heels of Sergio Aguero voicing concerns about restarting.

Meanwhile the Bundesliga is going to get someone killed.

 
Not sure where you’re getting your stats that things are improving. This map shows much of the country worsening, and those Red states supposedly in green are ones that aren’t testing widely. Even the states that are “steady” isn’t a net positive turn in the right direction. Right now, only the splatter of NE states, NY, NJ, Conn, etc are truly showing positive momentum (ie getting worse at a slower rate) because they’ve remained locked down.

(Moving this to the Covid thread)

My comment was based on the fact that nationally, excluding NY, the numbers are slowly getting better. Positive tests, number of tests, positive test rate, number of deaths - all have shown slow, gradual improvement. Not the big fall off of the curve that we have in NY and want to see everywhere, but slow improvement.

Below is an example of what I was talking about, and although it includes NY, the trends hold even when NY is excluded.

 
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I will bet you almost anything that nobody working at any of those clubs is going to be killed.

i dont know man, its not just the players. there is still coaching staff and physios etc that may be up there in age and would fall in that risk category of 60+ in years and we dont know of their situations.

I mean in Flamengo one of the masseur died already. ive read some players are basically saying they dont want to come back yet. of course its not germany but brazil but the concern is there.

https://en.as.com/en/2020/05/07/football/1588870988_892050.html
 
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(Moving this to the Covid thread)

My comment was based on the fact that nationally, excluding NY, the numbers are slowly getting better. Positive tests, number of tests, positive test rate, number of deaths - all have shown slow, gradual improvement. Not the big fall off of the curve that we have in NY and want to see everywhere, but slow improvement.

Below is an example of what I was talking about, and although it includes NY, the trends hold even when NY is excluded.

You’re using Nate Silver who believes there’s such a thing as Limited Herd Immunity at 20%. He’s been universally destroyed on his analysis because he has no clue what his raw data means and gets called out daily by actual scientists responding to his nonsense. And those numbers include NY which is why tests have ramped up and positive results have gone down - NY is large enough and doing the right thing which is moving the curve.

Those numbers are also from a Saturday, when reporting lags, a third of the country just opened back up so give it 5-12 days for cases to show and a month for increase in deaths. Also, states like Kansas are only reporting three days a week, MWF, so they aren’t included, and Kansas isn’t the only GOP state trying to fake the severity. I believe Kansas also has 5 meat processing plants that are hotspots, so the opportunity for the virus to move/has already moved is very high.
 
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My comment was based on the fact that nationally, excluding NY, the numbers are slowly getting better. Positive tests, number of tests, positive test rate, number of deaths - all have shown slow, gradual improvement. Not the big fall off of the curve that we have in NY and want to see everywhere, but slow improvement.
Did everyone forget "Flatten the Curve?"
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The jurisdictions that do things right will
  1. continue to get worse after the disaster sites start getting better
  2. get better at a slower pace than the disaster sites, and
  3. not be disasters.

I don't even know how to talk to people who point out that NY is improving faster and sooner as if that meant NY did something right or the other places are falling behind. Of course the rest of the country is improving later and more slowly than NY while having much lower peaks. That was the goal.
 
You’re using Nate Silver who believes there’s such a thing as Limited Herd Immunity at 20%. He’s been universally destroyed on his analysis because he has no clue what his raw data means and gets called out daily by actual scientists responding to his nonsense. And those numbers include NY which is why tests have ramped up and positive results have gone down - NY is large enough and doing the right thing which is moving the curve.

Those numbers are also from a Saturday, when reporting lags, a third of the country just opened back up so give it 5-12 days for cases to show and a month for increase in deaths. Also, states like Kansas are only reporting three days a week, MWF, so they aren’t included, and Kansas isn’t the only GOP state trying to fake the severity. I believe Kansas also has 5 meat processing plants that are hotspots, so the opportunity for the virus to move/has already moved is very high.
1. The numbers are the numbers. Nate Silver didn’t make them up. They are improving.

2. Silver very clearly stated what he meant by “limited herd immunity” - which is that the virus will spread more slowly in a place where 20% of the population can no longer get it. That is incontrovertibly true. NY is improving faster than the rest of the country, and “limited herd immunity” is one reason why.

3. I was very clear that the numbers in his example included NY, but if you run them without NY you get the same outcome.

4. Nobody has “opened back up”. No place in the country is even attempting business as usual. Some places have relaxed restrictions a little here and there and notably, these tended to be places where the outbreak isn’t that bad. Even in NY you can golf right now, which you couldn’t do a couple of weeks ago.

5. The numbers I showed were just the latest, but they’ve been the same for a while. Not just on Saturdays. That’s one reason why Silver compares to both the day before and the same day one week prior.
 
And here comes the EPL (though vote still impending):

 
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"BERLIN/PARIS, May 11 (Reuters) - Germany reported on Monday that new coronavirus infections were accelerating exponentially after early steps to ease its lockdown, news that sounded a global alarm even as businesses opened from Paris hair salons to Shanghai Disneyland.
Germany's Robert Koch Institute reported that the "reproduction rate" - the number of people each person infected with the coronavirus goes on to infect - had risen to 1.1. Any rate above 1 means the virus is spreading exponentially.
German authorities had taken early steps to ease lockdown measures just days earlier, a stark illustration that progress can swiftly be reversed even in a country with one of the best records in Europe of containing the virus so far.
It follows a new outbreak in night clubs in South Korea, another country that had succeeded in limiting infections."