Allen Chapman is Crap - Let's Discuss Why

Don't think so, but who knows? There's the VAR guy on the sideline, and maybe there's a group upstairs that works in committee, but we'd never know unless it's announced.

All good points. To clarify- NFL reviews all games after they are played. This obviously won't help in the moment but it will make idiot refs think twice before they dig in on questionable calls.
 
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Was told by NFL referee in a group setting- The NFL actually has a team of people that review every call of every game. If you screw up, you get fined. The amount varies. If you screw up multiple times, you're dismissed. Only 1% of calls are considered errors by the NFL but action is taken when appropriate.

Does the MLS do anything like this?
"Chicago Fire attacker Gilberto streaks down the field after a bad turnover on a breakaway. With only the keeper to beat, he enters the box. An NYCFC defender nips at his heels. Gilberto goes down and the ball trickles to the keeper. No call by the referee. Play on.
I am not watching this live, but on a projector inside a conference room at the Cooper Center Hotel in North Dallas, with all 14 of MLS's full-time referees. They're members of the Professional Referee Organization (PRO), which gathers every two weeks, in part, to review the controversial decisions from the previous games."

Behind the Scenes of MLS's Efforts To Improve Officiating

The entire article is informative.
 
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"Chicago Fire attacker Gilberto streaks down the field after a bad turnover on a breakaway. With only the keeper to beat, he enters the box. An NYCFC defender nips at his heels. Gilberto goes down and the ball trickles to the keeper. No call by the referee. Play on.
I am not watching this live, but on a projector inside a conference room at the Cooper Center Hotel in North Dallas, with all 14 of MLS's full-time referees. They're members of the Professional Referee Organization (PRO), which gathers every two weeks, in part, to review the controversial decisions from the previous games."

Behind the Scenes of MLS's Efforts To Improve Officiating

The entire article is informative.
I read this last year and was hopeful that it'd help their overall performance. But after seeing the number of blown non-PK calls against us this year, as video replay confirmed, I have zero faith that PRO doles out punishment to incompetent referees. After this past weekend, with the blatant disregard of the rules by Chapman and Petke's public tirade towards his match's ref, I'm amazed there were no punitive measures taken by PRO - and there couldn't have been since Chapman is scheduled to take center circle.
 
I think PRO is working on things, but it's an uphill battle. To be fair, I think soccer is the toughest game to officiate in the world. It's one guy out there on almost 2 acres of land trying to officiate 22 other people in a dynamic, fast moving game. There are always going to be plenty of mistakes and questionable calls each game. I don't think there is a league in the world where they are remotely pleased with the quality of the refs.

That said, Chapman was beyond horrible in that game and to let him turn around and ref a big game the following week does nothing to instill confidence.
 
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"Chicago Fire attacker Gilberto streaks down the field after a bad turnover on a breakaway. With only the keeper to beat, he enters the box. An NYCFC defender nips at his heels. Gilberto goes down and the ball trickles to the keeper. No call by the referee. Play on.
I am not watching this live, but on a projector inside a conference room at the Cooper Center Hotel in North Dallas, with all 14 of MLS's full-time referees. They're members of the Professional Referee Organization (PRO), which gathers every two weeks, in part, to review the controversial decisions from the previous games."

Behind the Scenes of MLS's Efforts To Improve Officiating

The entire article is informative.


Great article. Thanks for sharing. Great they working on it. Disturbing it took them this long to realize there was a problem.
 
Was told by NFL referee in a group setting- The NFL actually has a team of people that review every call of every game. If you screw up, you get fined. The amount varies. If you screw up multiple times, you're dismissed. Only 1% of calls are considered errors by the NFL but action is taken when appropriate.

Does the MLS do anything like this?
MLB has staff that rate every pitch and every other call, in addition to using the hawkeye or whatever it is.

I guarantee you PRO only self-scores, MLS and CONCACAF sign off, and the charade of legitimacy and competency gets rubber stamped internationally.

The referee situation is the biggest problem in this league, more so than anything else.
 
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Result? Yellowcard to De Jong from who? You guessed it Allen Chapman
 
This thread might not die. Allan Chapman is running the VAR booth for the RBNJ match this week. I'm not kidding.

He's not kidding and I'm furious.

New York City v New York Red Bulls
(6:00PM ET)
REF: BALDOMERO TOLEDO
AR1: Corey Parker
AR2: Peter Manikowski
4TH: Ismail Elfath
VAR: Allen Chapman
 
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Is it not better that if he's involved, he's on VAR? Probably a little more important than the 4th official.
 
Is it not better that if he's involved, he's on VAR? Probably a little more important than the 4th official.

You want someone competent on VAR to unbiasedly look at a review and change the call of his colleague on the field. Based on what we saw against Chicago, I'm not confident of that.
 
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You want someone competent on VAR to unbiasedly look at a review and change the call of his colleague on the field. Based on what we saw against Chicago, I'm not confident of that.

Agreed. There is an assistant VAR so hopefully he or she speaks up too. Unless Chapman is an authoritarian dick, which I assume him to be so.
 
Bump-diddy bump bump bump.

That asshole cost NYCFC another goal, this time by allowing HOU to restart without the ball stopping. Asshole.

NYCFC should formally protest if he ever gets another game officiating them again. Knowing our luck, he'll ref our crucial playoff game.
 
Which was the worse call? The no penalty kick when Villa was mugged on the goal line? Or letting the free kick happen with a moving ball away from the point of the foul?

For me it was the first. That was an obvious penalty. I have no idea what possible justification there could be for not whistling it.

The free kick was harder. The ball was moving, but barely, and the player had put a hand on it to stop it.
 
Bump-diddy bump bump bump.

That asshole cost NYCFC another goal, this time by allowing HOU to restart without the ball stopping. Asshole.

NYCFC should formally protest if he ever gets another game officiating them again. Knowing our luck, he'll ref our crucial playoff game.
The non-PK call on Villa was more egregious.

I don't really have any issue with the restart. If it was our restart and we scored, we would be lauding how savvy a move it was.
 
The non-PK call on Villa was more egregious.

I don't really have any issue with the restart. If it was our restart and we scored, we would be lauding how savvy a move it was.
My issue was the hard double whistle. Typically, when whistled to stop, there's a whistle to restart.
 
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Bumping this thread.

So Allen Chapman was running VAR for Leg 2 at Yankee Stadium. I’m not kidding.

And you really want the kick in the nuts:
Allen Chapman won MLS’s referee of the year award. I’m not kidding.

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