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Like LionNYC LionNYC said I think you go to single game elimination. I think there is some value starting the season earlier to avoid playing on international breaks. It could also help our CCL teams get into the swing of things earlier. We have enough teams in warm weather cities and/or domes to play in February.

I also wonder how much of the MLS schedule snafus are self inflicited due to inefficiency. Maybe MLS needs invest some money on a quant genius to figure this out.

If we look at 2019 calendar with the intentions of ending the regular season Oct 7th, we have 28 playable weeks by excluding the 3 intl breaks which would mean 6 midweek games. Two weeks of February decreases that to 4 midweek games. This season we have had 7 midweek games.

Remember. We had 7 because of Yankee Stadium. Play 5-8 of our matches at Citi we could avoid those conflicts.
 
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Like LionNYC LionNYC said I think you go to single game elimination. I think there is some value starting the season earlier to avoid playing on international breaks. It could also help our CCL teams get into the swing of things earlier. We have enough teams in warm weather cities and/or domes to play in February.

I also wonder how much of the MLS schedule snafus are self inflicited due to inefficiency. Maybe MLS needs invest some money on a quant genius to figure this out.

If we look at 2019 calendar with the intentions of ending the regular season Oct 7th, we have 28 playable weeks by excluding the 3 intl breaks which would mean 6 midweek games. Two weeks of February decreases that to 4 midweek games. This season we have had 7 midweek games.

I count 35 weeks from the first weekend in Feb 2019 to October 7. But, there are more than just 3 1-week breaks. There is also a solid 3 weeks in the middle of the summer for the Copa America and Gold Cup in 2019 (and in 2020 it will be the Euros, 2021 the GC again, then the WC in 2022). That's 6 weeks lost leaving 29. That means a minimum of 5 midweek games for every team. But these are not just midweek games like we have now. They are midweek games bookended with a game on both neighboring weekends. Triple game weeks. For all the midweek games NYCFC played this year, the club only had 2 triple game weeks. The rest were games shifted from either the preceding or following weekend due to YS conflicts.

So this would increase the number of triple game weeks from 2 to a minimum of 5 just for regular season games. I think the union might have something to say about that. Plus USOC. Plus CCL for the clubs lucky enough to get in. This will require much more squad rotation than most MLS teams can handle without a seriously lowered quality of play. So maybe you relax some salary cap rules.

Counting Nashville and Miami, there will be only 4 warm weather East Conference teams to play in February. That means not only a schedule lopsided to certain cities in February, but also using up a large number of interconference games hosted by West teams in the first month. By itself, that's not a big deal, but all of these schedule requirements leave very limited flexibility for special circumstances, like the uneven schedules for Atlanta last year or DC this year. When you start with 34 games cammed into 29 weeks it gets a lot harder to schedule around mid-season stadium renovations or openings. It probably also stops the practice of CCL teams deferring games into later in the season, because the rest of the year is already filled with triple game weeks.

And this could never happen while NYC is still at Yankee Stadium. We played 3-4 home games during international breaks this year solely because the Yankee schedule required it. If the whole point of this schedule adjustment is to shut down play during international breaks, and if you enforce that, then NYCFC cannot manage 17 home games (and no we're not playing them in Citi Field).

Plus fans do nothing but complain about midweek games. Under this plan there will be more, in a shorter time period, and many will be right next to a game the weekend before or after.

Plus, most teams don't play 6-7 midweek games right now like NYCFC did. Most play only 3-4, and these midweek games exist for a reason. Whatever those reasons are they are not going away. Which means adding all these new midweek games on top of the existing midweek games. They don't just replace them. Some teams might very well end up with 8-9 midweek games.

Midweek games get lower attendance. NYCFC midweek games average more than 4k lower attendance than weekend games. The article posted a few days ago about Montreal made clear that gameday revenue is vital for MLS teams. Plus I expect TV pays less for Wednesday night than Saturday. So you need a plan to pay players more in the next contract renewal when the union seeks compensation for more triple game weeks, plus to pay for the squad improvement necessitated by tighter schedules, while taking in lower revenues because of midweek games.

The tight schedule probably forces a relaxation of the charter flight limitation. That's a good thing. But again, higher costs on multiple fronts, and lower revenues.
 
I count 35 weeks from the first weekend in Feb 2019 to October 7. But, there are more than just 3 1-week breaks. There is also a solid 3 weeks in the middle of the summer for the Copa America and Gold Cup in 2019 (and in 2020 it will be the Euros, 2021 the GC again, then the WC in 2022). That's 6 weeks lost leaving 29. That means a minimum of 5 midweek games for every team. But these are not just midweek games like we have now. They are midweek games bookended with a game on both neighboring weekends. Triple game weeks. For all the midweek games NYCFC played this year, the club only had 2 triple game weeks. The rest were games shifted from either the preceding or following weekend due to YS conflicts.

So this would increase the number of triple game weeks from 2 to a minimum of 5 just for regular season games. I think the union might have something to say about that. Plus USOC. Plus CCL for the clubs lucky enough to get in. This will require much more squad rotation than most MLS teams can handle without a seriously lowered quality of play. So maybe you relax some salary cap rules.

Counting Nashville and Miami, there will be only 4 warm weather East Conference teams to play in February. That means not only a schedule lopsided to certain cities in February, but also using up a large number of interconference games hosted by West teams in the first month. By itself, that's not a big deal, but all of these schedule requirements leave very limited flexibility for special circumstances, like the uneven schedules for Atlanta last year or DC this year. When you start with 34 games cammed into 29 weeks it gets a lot harder to schedule around mid-season stadium renovations or openings. It probably also stops the practice of CCL teams deferring games into later in the season, because the rest of the year is already filled with triple game weeks.

And this could never happen while NYC is still at Yankee Stadium. We played 3-4 home games during international breaks this year solely because the Yankee schedule required it. If the whole point of this schedule adjustment is to shut down play during international breaks, and if you enforce that, then NYCFC cannot manage 17 home games (and no we're not playing them in Citi Field).

Plus fans do nothing but complain about midweek games. Under this plan there will be more, in a shorter time period, and many will be right next to a game the weekend before or after.

Plus, most teams don't play 6-7 midweek games right now like NYCFC did. Most play only 3-4, and these midweek games exist for a reason. Whatever those reasons are they are not going away. Which means adding all these new midweek games on top of the existing midweek games. They don't just replace them. Some teams might very well end up with 8-9 midweek games.

Midweek games get lower attendance. NYCFC midweek games average more than 4k lower attendance than weekend games. The article posted a few days ago about Montreal made clear that gameday revenue is vital for MLS teams. Plus I expect TV pays less for Wednesday night than Saturday. So you need a plan to pay players more in the next contract renewal when the union seeks compensation for more triple game weeks, plus to pay for the squad improvement necessitated by tighter schedules, while taking in lower revenues because of midweek games.

The tight schedule probably forces a relaxation of the charter flight limitation. That's a good thing. But again, higher costs on multiple fronts, and lower revenues.
Obviously, during a Gold Cup or World Cup year we will have naturally deal with some more midweek games. Gold Cup every two years is a stupid, pointless money grab. I would also be in favor of decreasing the number of regular season games but that probably doesn't happen. And yes Yankee Stadium is a major blight on our existence as a club. I guess I would be in favor of extending the season until the end of October if it gets rid of some midweek games.
 
I count 35 weeks from the first weekend in Feb 2019 to October 7. But, there are more than just 3 1-week breaks. There is also a solid 3 weeks in the middle of the summer for the Copa America and Gold Cup in 2019 (and in 2020 it will be the Euros, 2021 the GC again, then the WC in 2022). That's 6 weeks lost leaving 29. That means a minimum of 5 midweek games for every team. But these are not just midweek games like we have now. They are midweek games bookended with a game on both neighboring weekends. Triple game weeks. For all the midweek games NYCFC played this year, the club only had 2 triple game weeks. The rest were games shifted from either the preceding or following weekend due to YS conflicts.

So this would increase the number of triple game weeks from 2 to a minimum of 5 just for regular season games. I think the union might have something to say about that. Plus USOC. Plus CCL for the clubs lucky enough to get in. This will require much more squad rotation than most MLS teams can handle without a seriously lowered quality of play. So maybe you relax some salary cap rules.

Counting Nashville and Miami, there will be only 4 warm weather East Conference teams to play in February. That means not only a schedule lopsided to certain cities in February, but also using up a large number of interconference games hosted by West teams in the first month. By itself, that's not a big deal, but all of these schedule requirements leave very limited flexibility for special circumstances, like the uneven schedules for Atlanta last year or DC this year. When you start with 34 games cammed into 29 weeks it gets a lot harder to schedule around mid-season stadium renovations or openings. It probably also stops the practice of CCL teams deferring games into later in the season, because the rest of the year is already filled with triple game weeks.

And this could never happen while NYC is still at Yankee Stadium. We played 3-4 home games during international breaks this year solely because the Yankee schedule required it. If the whole point of this schedule adjustment is to shut down play during international breaks, and if you enforce that, then NYCFC cannot manage 17 home games (and no we're not playing them in Citi Field).

Plus fans do nothing but complain about midweek games. Under this plan there will be more, in a shorter time period, and many will be right next to a game the weekend before or after.

Plus, most teams don't play 6-7 midweek games right now like NYCFC did. Most play only 3-4, and these midweek games exist for a reason. Whatever those reasons are they are not going away. Which means adding all these new midweek games on top of the existing midweek games. They don't just replace them. Some teams might very well end up with 8-9 midweek games.

Midweek games get lower attendance. NYCFC midweek games average more than 4k lower attendance than weekend games. The article posted a few days ago about Montreal made clear that gameday revenue is vital for MLS teams. Plus I expect TV pays less for Wednesday night than Saturday. So you need a plan to pay players more in the next contract renewal when the union seeks compensation for more triple game weeks, plus to pay for the squad improvement necessitated by tighter schedules, while taking in lower revenues because of midweek games.

The tight schedule probably forces a relaxation of the charter flight limitation. That's a good thing. But again, higher costs on multiple fronts, and lower revenues.

I'm in 100% agreement that the regular season should be shortened. As soon as we get up to 28 teams cap the schedule so you play every team once and your rival in a home and home. Play every match on a weekend and don't play over international breaks.
 
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I count 35 weeks from the first weekend in Feb 2019 to October 7. But, there are more than just 3 1-week breaks. There is also a solid 3 weeks in the middle of the summer for the Copa America and Gold Cup in 2019 (and in 2020 it will be the Euros, 2021 the GC again, then the WC in 2022). That's 6 weeks lost leaving 29. That means a minimum of 5 midweek games for every team. But these are not just midweek games like we have now. They are midweek games bookended with a game on both neighboring weekends. Triple game weeks. For all the midweek games NYCFC played this year, the club only had 2 triple game weeks. The rest were games shifted from either the preceding or following weekend due to YS conflicts.

So this would increase the number of triple game weeks from 2 to a minimum of 5 just for regular season games. I think the union might have something to say about that. Plus USOC. Plus CCL for the clubs lucky enough to get in. This will require much more squad rotation than most MLS teams can handle without a seriously lowered quality of play. So maybe you relax some salary cap rules.

Counting Nashville and Miami, there will be only 4 warm weather East Conference teams to play in February. That means not only a schedule lopsided to certain cities in February, but also using up a large number of interconference games hosted by West teams in the first month. By itself, that's not a big deal, but all of these schedule requirements leave very limited flexibility for special circumstances, like the uneven schedules for Atlanta last year or DC this year. When you start with 34 games cammed into 29 weeks it gets a lot harder to schedule around mid-season stadium renovations or openings. It probably also stops the practice of CCL teams deferring games into later in the season, because the rest of the year is already filled with triple game weeks.

And this could never happen while NYC is still at Yankee Stadium. We played 3-4 home games during international breaks this year solely because the Yankee schedule required it. If the whole point of this schedule adjustment is to shut down play during international breaks, and if you enforce that, then NYCFC cannot manage 17 home games (and no we're not playing them in Citi Field).

Plus fans do nothing but complain about midweek games. Under this plan there will be more, in a shorter time period, and many will be right next to a game the weekend before or after.

Plus, most teams don't play 6-7 midweek games right now like NYCFC did. Most play only 3-4, and these midweek games exist for a reason. Whatever those reasons are they are not going away. Which means adding all these new midweek games on top of the existing midweek games. They don't just replace them. Some teams might very well end up with 8-9 midweek games.

Midweek games get lower attendance. NYCFC midweek games average more than 4k lower attendance than weekend games. The article posted a few days ago about Montreal made clear that gameday revenue is vital for MLS teams. Plus I expect TV pays less for Wednesday night than Saturday. So you need a plan to pay players more in the next contract renewal when the union seeks compensation for more triple game weeks, plus to pay for the squad improvement necessitated by tighter schedules, while taking in lower revenues because of midweek games.

The tight schedule probably forces a relaxation of the charter flight limitation. That's a good thing. But again, higher costs on multiple fronts, and lower revenues.
Those triple-week games could be easily navigated if the league would stop scheduling cross-country flights. All matches should be worked so they are geographically friendly within the conference. It ain’t rocket science, but it does take somebody at MLS league headquarters to not be an absolute idiot and make a team fly from the east coast to Vancouver for Wednesday and then back to Florida for Saturday.
 
A lot of variables would have to fall into place, but there is a scenario where NYCFC could fall to the 6th seed....

NYCFC would have to loose both remaining matches to DC (Away) and Philly (home). Would have 53 pts

Philly would have to win both remaining matches vs RB (home) and NYCFC (Away). Actually a tie vs RB would be ok for them too. They’ve had extreme success vs RB at home so not out of the realm of possibility. 56 (54) pts

Columbus would have to win their remaining matches vs Orlando (Away) and Minnesota (home). Both possible and likely but will they be distracted by talk of Berhalter leaving??? 54 pts

DC must win their remaining three matches vs Toronto (home) NYCFC (home) Chicago (Away). All are possible with their home field form and tire fire that Chicago is (with added intensity if a win guarantees home field seeding). 53 pts, tied with NYCFC on wins at 15, would need to overcome a 7GD deficit vs NYCFC but that could be possible with 3W vs 2L = potential nail biter that last day.
 
A lot of variables would have to fall into place, but there is a scenario where NYCFC could fall to the 6th seed....

NYCFC would have to loose both remaining matches to DC (Away) and Philly (home). Would have 53 pts

Philly would have to win both remaining matches vs RB (home) and NYCFC (Away). Actually a tie vs RB would be ok for them too. They’ve had extreme success vs RB at home so not out of the realm of possibility. 56 (54) pts

Columbus would have to win their remaining matches vs Orlando (Away) and Minnesota (home). Both possible and likely but will they be distracted by talk of Berhalter leaving??? 54 pts

DC must win their remaining three matches vs Toronto (home) NYCFC (home) Chicago (Away). All are possible with their home field form and tire fire that Chicago is (with added intensity if a win guarantees home field seeding). 53 pts, tied with NYCFC on wins at 15, would need to overcome a 7GD deficit vs NYCFC but that could be possible with 3W vs 2L = potential nail biter that last day.

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A lot of variables would have to fall into place, but there is a scenario where NYCFC could fall to the 6th seed....

NYCFC would have to loose both remaining matches to DC (Away) and Philly (home). Would have 53 pts

Philly would have to win both remaining matches vs RB (home) and NYCFC (Away). Actually a tie vs RB would be ok for them too. They’ve had extreme success vs RB at home so not out of the realm of possibility. 56 (54) pts

Columbus would have to win their remaining matches vs Orlando (Away) and Minnesota (home). Both possible and likely but will they be distracted by talk of Berhalter leaving??? 54 pts

DC must win their remaining three matches vs Toronto (home) NYCFC (home) Chicago (Away). All are possible with their home field form and tire fire that Chicago is (with added intensity if a win guarantees home field seeding). 53 pts, tied with NYCFC on wins at 15, would need to overcome a 7GD deficit vs NYCFC but that could be possible with 3W vs 2L = potential nail biter that last day.

And like I said before, the front office has already charged us for the knockout round game. And as you say, it's possible for us to not even have a home playoff game this season.
 
DC must win their remaining three matches vs Toronto (home) NYCFC (home) Chicago (Away). All are possible with their home field form and tire fire that Chicago is (with added intensity if a win guarantees home field seeding). 53 pts, tied with NYCFC on wins at 15, would need to overcome a 7GD deficit vs NYCFC but that could be possible with 3W vs 2L = potential nail biter that last day.
This is definitely all possible, but just wanted to point out, that DC would not be able to get a home playoff match in the scenario that NYC slips to 6th.

NYC slipping to 6th would mean Columbus gets to 54 (they can't get to 53), so they are ahead of DC. Philly would need to get to 53 which means winning one of their remaining games, which would put them at 16 wins, and ahead of that tiebreaker as DC getting to 53 would be at 15 wins.
 
This is definitely all possible, but just wanted to point out, that DC would not be able to get a home playoff match in the scenario that NYC slips to 6th.

NYC slipping to 6th would mean Columbus gets to 54 (they can't get to 53), so they are ahead of DC. Philly would need to get to 53 which means winning one of their remaining games, which would put them at 16 wins, and ahead of that tiebreaker as DC getting to 53 would be at 15 wins.
Yeah, you’re right.... missed that as I was fuming at the possibility of an entire season being crumpled and wasted if that scenario came to fruition (because if we lose the last two reg season matches, the probability is high we get steamrolled on the road).
 
And like I said before, the front office has already charged us for the knockout round game. And as you say, it's possible for us to not even have a home playoff game this season.
Yeah, I was surprised to see the FO approved the debit considering nothing is locked yet as far as playoff seeding. They’re like a 14yo boy getting overly excited at the sight of nakedness.
 
They’re like a 14yo boy getting overly excited at the sight of nakedness...so it's like the childish thing of writing 80085 on a calculator. Boobs.
If you say so - that just looks like 5 random numbers to me.
 
It works better on an LCD calculator turned upside down, but that phenomenon may have been before your time.
Or I just skipped that particular keyed input during trig class.
 
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