Columbus (Away) - Postmatch

[Ulrich]

The only reason we're mid-table are all the games in hand. We could be top of the table if we can win our home matches coming up. You mentioned Ring doing nothing but picking up yellows in a previous post, but he only has 2 yellows all season. I'm frustrated we didn't get the win, but road points are hard in this league, and we're on a record pace for those. We also had a harsh penalty called against us that we had to battle back against. I saw resiliency on the road. I saw a team with an abundance of offensive weapons for an MLS squad (even considering one of their DPs couldn't even crack the 18!). We're very good right now and a Medina transfer and DP signing away from being elite.

Kindly point to where I mentioned Ring only gets yellows. I’ll wait.

Edit: and please don’t be a homer on that penalty. It was a legit shove in the back by Callens and to say otherwise is disingenuous and refusing to admit the play was called correctly.

 

[Christopher Jee]

Kindly point to where I mentioned Ring only gets yellows. I’ll wait.

Edit: and please don’t be a homer on that penalty. It was a legit shove in the back by Callens and to say otherwise is disingenuous and refusing to admit the play was called correctly.

What's the opposite of a Homer? A Marge?

FWIW I thought it was a soft call too. Santos initiated the contact, Callens resisted it and then Santos gave it up so the resistance looked like a shove from IMO a naive ref. Either way not sure it's constructive to label vs actual argumentation.

Regardless, I wouldn't say we were unlucky to give up a goal. That's the kind of thing that goes against you when you are under the kosh. If it wasn't a penalty it could have been any one of those shots / crosses that SJ did well to parry away in the first 15-ish mins.

 

[Ulrich]

What's the opposite of a Homer? A Marge?

FWIW I thought it was a soft call too. Santos initiated the contact, Callens resisted it and then Santos gave it up so the resistance looked like a shove from IMO a naive ref

Callens hand/arm went forward - the motion is obvious on the replay. That wasn’t a resistance, that was a shove. And the player on the ball has every right to shield the ball, whether slowing down or just getting between the ball and opposing player - there is abundant precedent of the foul being called on the opposing player in a similar, but flipped, situation when a defender shields a ball as it carries over the endline but the attacking player tries to go through them for the ball. Foul every time.

In this case, it was a foul on the denfender in the box. Nothing soft about that.

 

[adam]

Kindly point to where I mentioned Ring only gets yellows. I’ll wait.

Edit: and please don’t be a homer on that penalty. It was a legit shove in the back by Callens and to say otherwise is disingenuous and refusing to admit the play was called correctly.

Sorry, the post about the cards was by SFphoto , but you liked it so I assume you agree.

https://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/columbus-away-postmatch.6959/#post-283414

 

[Ulrich]

Sorry, the post about the cards was by SFphoto , but you liked it so I assume you agree.

https://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/columbus-away-postmatch.6959/#post-283414

A person can like a post for any number of reasons and if there are a dozen+ points made, it’s amusing that it’s assumed I agreed with every single one of them.

 

[Christopher Jee]

Callens hand/arm went forward - the motion is obvious on the replay. That wasn’t a resistance, that was a shove. And the player on the ball has every right to shield the ball, whether slowing down or just getting between the ball and opposing player - there is abundant precedent of the foul being called on the opposing player in a similar, but flipped, situation when a defender shields a ball as it carries over the endline but the attacking player tries to go through them for the ball. Foul every time.

In this case, it was a foul on the denfender in the box. Nothing soft about that.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. And if we ever play against each other I will be sure to avoid giving you any reason to flop in the box. As Callens should be!

In any case, regardless of the call itself, we deserved to be down a goal the way that Columbus were on top of us, so I'm not too interested in the particulars of how that goal was conceded. I'm mostly arguing with you because I'm fascinated by the negativity with which you appear to watch our matches. But maybe my optimism is equally confounding.

 

[Revfugee]

Actually, on the shoutbox, a few did say dome was a genius, so that’s what I was drawing from on the heels of you saying you were happy with the tactical adjustments. That was my bad for anchoring a thought to statements made during a different medium.

I also don’t think I’m being unfair with the criticism of the subs being obvious. To bring on Rocha for Sweat is then locking oneself in the closet for a later offensive sub as Dome wouldn’t to a short-term sub for Sweat if Sweat was later the intended sub for Isi or Taty - it’d be burning a sub for nothing (or 15min). And NYCFC was already down a goal, so bringing in a non-offensive player in a wingback position is hardly helping the situation.

Also, looking at who was on the bench, there were zero other options for clawing back offense. Ibeagha, no. Mata was injured (why have on the bench at all?). Torres, do we have any idea what he’s able to do? And Rocha came on for Mitrita when Dome decided to preserve the point. Based on that bench, there were zero other options than the obvious ones.

Actually, I said on the shoutbox “if we win, Dome is a genius.” It a) was semi- facetious and b) we didn’t win.

 

[Ulrich]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. And if we ever play against each other I will be sure to avoid giving you any reason to flop in the box. As Callens should be!

In any case, regardless of the call itself, we deserved to be down a goal the way that Columbus were on top of us, so I'm not too interested in the particulars of how that goal was conceded. I'm mostly arguing with you because I'm fascinated by the negativity with which you appear to watch our matches. But maybe my optimism is equally confounding.

You wouldn’t have to worry about that if we ever play each other as I will have already nervously crossed the ball over the fence and across the two lanes of traffic.

 

[Christopher Jee]

You wouldn’t have to worry about that if we ever play each other as I will have already nervously crossed the ball over the fence and across the two lanes of traffic.

I think I finally understand why you like Ben Sweat so much.

 

[Ulrich]

I think I finally understand why you like Ben Sweat so much.

It is definitely my goal to one day step on the field again and score a dagger inducing header goal on an opponent that was actually meant as a cross. To appreciate both the skill and luck of that score, by a guy punching multiple factors above his ability, is something I can always get behind.

 

[Sabo]

To put our 8 point 4 game undefeated road trip in perspective, 15 of the 24 teams in MLS have 8 or fewer road points this entire season.

 

[mgarbowski]

To put our 8 point 4 game undefeated road trip in perspective, 15 of the 24 teams in MLS have 8 or fewer road points this entire season.

We also have 11 points in the last 5 Away games.

 

[Fantazma]

didnt see the game, so another draw eh. at least the team scored more than one goal today. and we really have no LB at all for next two games?

 

[Christopher Jee]

didnt see the game, so another draw eh. at least the team scored more than one goal today. and we really have no LB at all for next two games?

Rocha, who has improved since his first couple of performances

 

[adam]

Rocha, who has improved since his first couple of performances

Isi

 

[Shwafta]

Here's what bothers me:
win 1 game and then tie 8, you're on a 9-game unbeaten streak which is for some reason "good". (11 points)
lose 1 game and then tie 8, you're on a 9-game winless streak which is "bad". (8 points) yet, they both have just as many shitty draws, the only difference being that loss. We've still only won like, three games? (is it four?) So it's still not necessarily very good at all...

 

[Ulrich]

Here's what bothers me:
win 1 game and then tie 8, you're on a 9-game unbeaten streak which is for some reason "good". (11 points)
lose 1 game and then tie 8, you're on a 9-game winless streak which is "bad". (8 points) yet, they both have just as many shitty draws, the only difference being that loss. We've still only won like, three games? (is it four?) So it's still not necessarily very good at all...

Yeah, a draw is obviously better than a loss, but 1 pt is still less than what is needed (1.5pt) for a .500 team, so it's a trend downward. It's now false optics that date back to when a win was worth 2pts and not 3pts.

 

[adam]

Here's what bothers me:
win 1 game and then tie 8, you're on a 9-game unbeaten streak which is for some reason "good". (11 points)
lose 1 game and then tie 8, you're on a 9-game winless streak which is "bad". (8 points) yet, they both have just as many shitty draws, the only difference being that loss. We've still only won like, three games? (is it four?) So it's still not necessarily very good at all...

? We’ve WON 4 of our last 7, drawing the other 3. We drew twice more before we won 4 of 5.

I hope you mean this just bothers you in general. Because it doesn’t apply to our team at the moment.

 

[413Blue]

Here's what bothers me:
win 1 game and then tie 8, you're on a 9-game unbeaten streak which is for some reason "good". (11 points)
lose 1 game and then tie 8, you're on a 9-game winless streak which is "bad". (8 points) yet, they both have just as many shitty draws, the only difference being that loss. We've still only won like, three games? (is it four?) So it's still not necessarily very good at all...

Who on earth has ever considered one win and 7 draws good?

 

[Keith Putnam]

Who on earth has ever considered one win and 7 draws good?

I think the question is the distinction between the "unbeaten" narrative vs the "winless" narrative when the actual results leading to the narrative are the same.