Domènec Torrent Appointed NYCFC Head Coach (June '18) / Mutually Agree to Part Ways (November '19)
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These takes on Vieira are just silly. He took a team that finished 17th in the table and led them to 4th in the table, then 2nd, and then sitting in 2nd when he left. Now, the team is back to 19th.
You can nitpick specific failures all you want, but that's a good manager.
You can nitpick specific failures all you want, but that's a good manager.
Sorry if this is reaching back a bit, but I've just been catching up on here since not being on since Friday.
What similarities are there between how Huddersfield and NYCFC have built their rosters? I'll admit I don't pay a whole ton of attention to the PL outside the title race, but I get the inkling that within their respective leagues, the roster building for each team are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
Huddersfield got promoted and received their massive TV money and then miserly didn’t break the bank bringing in players to compete. It worked the first year and has failed the second. It’s typically (not) done by promoted teams because they don’t want to be saddled with larges wages when sent back down.
NYCFC hasn’t broken the bank either and has left two roster mechanisms essentially untouched or under used. Our DPs are hardly spent on, yes Mitrita had a big transfer, but it’s unclear if it was money well spent. Medina had an ill-advised transfer that was enough to screw up his roster-build but under the threshold of a sure-thing player. Maxi was a free. And we’ve barely tapped the supplemental TAM that’s available to those teams wishing to max out their roster talent.
How many clubs in MLS have spent greater than a combined $12m in transfer fees on their DPs? I know there are some (Atlanta, TFC, LAFC, I think that is it? may have missed 1-2). Another $2.85m was just spent on a transfer fee as a TAM acquisition. How many other clubs have done that?
Argue all you want about spent money not coming to fruition, but that is not what is going on in Huddersfield. The "this club doesn't spend money" narrative that has been floated around here for so long is just not true. Money just needs to be spent better (mostly talking about Medina on this one at the moment, as too early to tell with Mitrita and Heber).
Don’t compare NYCFC to other clubs in MLS and how they’re relatively higher, look at how NYCFC (doesn’t) maximizes the rules. Just because 75% of the other clubs are miserly, that doesn’t excuse our owners and front office from not taking full advantage of the rules put in place.
Regarding $$$ spent on DPs, I think comparing to other MLS teams is absolutely appropriate, otherwise why not spend $150m on DPs to "take full advantage of the rules in place".
Regarding TAM usage, after the Heber signing, we have to be pretty damn close to using all available TAM. We should still have GAM available from the Harrison sale, along with the $$$ we just traded for, but I think it's pretty healthy from a cap management standpoint to have some of that available for the summer.
Are you sure we’ve used the discretionary TAM, because if so, it’s a first. In the past we’ve only used the allocated TAM. And if discretionary TAM was used, it’s damning that the first time was for a guy that was a desperation signing which signifies the FO had zero intention of using it prior to the shitty results.
Regarding the use of DP signings, and their costs, comparison to other teams isn’t valid - there are many that don’t give a damn, like NE or SJ, and they spend a level they’re OK with because they have a different outlook and evidently winning isn’t part of it. CFG has always said they want to be winners, so they should spend the money getting good value - to date, they have spent very poorly on DP value with only Villa and Lampard being legit signings. The verdict is out on Mitrita, and we’re beginning to see his selfishness and inability to involve teammates. $150m may not be needed, but the team can and should spend more to ensure their limited roster mechanisms hit pay dirt.
I don't see how we can't be using the discretionary TAM. Heber's fee was $2.85, if it's a 3 year contract (I think a reasonable assumption), that's $0.95m/year. The allocated TAM being used was already at least close to the threshold. This tweet here provides a decent idea of what the club may be looking at using several assumptions.
And once again, I want to be clear. I am not making any arguments on quality of signings. We have very little idea at this moment what Heber is going to bring.
Sure, comparing to NE or SJ is not ok, I'll give you that. But I don't see why we can't compare against Portland, Seattle, NJRB, DCU, SKC, etc. etc. of clubs who do look to be perennial contenders.
And again, all I am arguing is that the narrative that the club doesn't spend money is false. Not sure why you keep bringing up how signings have fared (different argument).
Again, you’re missing my point- the club isn’t using all mechanisms available.
As I said, if Heber is discretionary TAM, it was a knee jerk use because they screwed up the roster prior - and it’s the first time it’s been used. They weren’t planning on using it and were forced into it by a bad roster creation. You cannot discount that as a separate discussion.
Your other point is also flawed because those other teams have history and can bring up players from their academies to bolster the roster, so whereas RB and SKC don’t break the bank, they don’t have to because there producing players they can win with. We aren’t. And if we don’t break the bank, we’re not creating distance between us/them and as we’ve seen we’ve come out on the losing side for the season.
And your third point is a straw man - spending money and using all of the mechanisms to their fullest are two different things. My point is the second, you tied me to other posters narratives that we don’t spend any money, which we do but not wisely and not with max effort. We spend money poorly and don’t max out our efforts with the spending to take advantage of bringing in surething players, and instead we have DPs that are busts like Medina and Pirlo, or possibly one-season wonders like Maxi, or are questionable #1DP quality like Mitrita. Spending more money opens the door to a different caliber of DP that will bring less baggage and uncertainties.
That was from Pre-season. I thought it was interesting how I ranked them then. I have to re-shuffle tonight when I have a moment.
Dome may be somewhere towards the bottom of that list when I update it.
Cabrera and Houston won USOC last year, and played in CCL this year. Curtin's team did make the playoffs, but they seem much more closely matched than this separation.
Cabrera has hardware.
Curtin is the only coach to lose to NYCFC in the playoffs.
We technically did beat Columbus in the second game, just not enough goals to help differential and go through.
A two-legged tie is not like a playoff series in basketball, baseball, or hockey. In those sports you win the series by winning individual games and everything resets at the end of each game except for counting the wins. In soccer, you win the contest by scoring more goals over a single 180 minute contest played in 2 sections days apart in 2 locations. Wins, draw and losses are irrelevant. People say that teams win, lose or draw the individual legs, but teams really don't because they are not actual games where wins, losses and draws matter. Judge every 2-legged tie by total goals scored with AG as a tie-breaker and you get the right result with no reference to W-L-D.
You're saying we "won" the second half of a single unified competition. That's not a win.
Also, even under baseball parlance, nobody would say that Joe Torre became the first Yankee manage to lose to the Red Sox in the playoffs in 1999 (the Yankes beat the Sox that year 4 games to 1). They pin that on Torre because of 2004.
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Twellman also noted that this is a pretty obvious sign that Dome is on the hot seat.
It’s entirely possible that it has nothing to do with Dome and everything to do with the stadiums and Partnerships. Marwood isn’t the guy that picks a manager.
I think he’s here to look at the Allianz and the Audi and get a sense from Brad Sims as to how good of a job he is doing ramping up the “strategic partnerships”
Or it's entirely possible that it has to do with a possible Sands transfer to a better league in the CFG family of clubs.
Twellman said in his interview with Extratime that he was there 99% for team reasons and 1% for the stadium etc. I really do think this is the endgame for dome
