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Jonathan Lewis [forward]

Discussion in 'NYCFC Roster' started by Falastur, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. 413Blue

    413Blue Active Member Seasoned Supporter

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    I hate that a crucial year of his development was largely wasted. Yes, I know, he got to train on a daily basis with a lot of solid and experienced players, but that's not the same as getting regular competitive minutes.
    I can't wait until we have a fully develops organization, with AAA baseball style HAL club based in the region. Allow players like Lewis to get regular training with the big boys and top coaches, but regular minutes with our club in Long Island or CT.
    Lewis' game could have progressed further this season, but i' d say it was partially stunted.
    The worst part is that no sane person could argue that Khiry was worthy of all of the minutes he got
     
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  2. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Lewis doesn’t count against the Cap. That alone is a reason to keep him. Put it together with the money paid to draft him, and it’d go down as one of the worst FO decisions ever if he’s moved away.
     
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    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    I think what sucks most about Lewis never being given the opportunity to see the field is that we gave up a lot of Garber Bucks to get him - had we not done that, the GB’s could have gone towards a TAM level player that PV would have eagerly played. I’m not advocating that we shouldn’t have drafted Lewis- I like the skills he brings - but it’s obnoxious that the club invested a lot and he wasn’t in a position to help the team win in its moment of greatest need. Every game he played in, save for his very first, showed he could make a positive mark on the outcome. His treatment makes zero sense.
     
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    Christopher Jee Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Honestly his "presentation" in training from the little I saw was bad. Not confidence-inspiring, and I can imagine that the number of minutes PV sees him train sort of wash out the few minutes in games where he's performed well. But I think PV has to find ways to motivate players to work harder that don't hurt our results.
     
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    $250k for him and another $75k for Awuah. Based on that and the Jack experience, I thought the club had decided to use GBs to offset the fact that the academy is still some time away from producing young talent we can use. But now I can't tell what the purpose was, unless it was a total misfire.
     
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  6. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    I don’t doubt that he may have a bad work ethic in practice, but he should be judged on the product he produces in matches. There are lots of sports figures that are “gamers” and raise their level in the moment of competition while not being able, or not willing to, during practice. It’s the old adage of leaving it on the field rather than leaving it all in practice. I have a feeling TMac is an amazing player during practice and pushes himself to his limits, but he either can not replicate it during matches or he’s tapped-out come game time. Or maybe he looks great in practice because he give 100% and other give 80-90 (to pace themselves) and he then looks better. IDK???

    Whatever the case is, part of being a good Manager is knowing how to get the most out of a player based on who the player is. Mold the approach to what gets through to them for them to understand what being asked, rather than trying to mold the player to a fixed team mindset.

    This is the same in any industry. Very talented individuals have quirky habits that give them comfort when performing tasks. Try to change it, or force rigidity onto them with methods, and the risk is run of limiting their creativity or performance. That’s not to say there can’t be an outline of standards to be met, but deviation within should be allowed and encouraged.

    Lewis’ stats are telling:

    He started 4 matches and the team won all 4.
    He subbed on in 8 matches with 3W 3T 2L (one loss was the Toronto thrashing.

    He’s not a gamer like Jordan, but he’s definitely a gamer and the number of wins he was involved in show not only that he gelled with the rest of the team, but he made an impact.
     
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    Agree with all of this.

    I also think that motivating him to apply himself in training will improve him as a player, which is why I'm not just saying "forget about training, just get him on the pitch".
     
  8. Ulrich

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    Im not advocating to forget about training, but it shouldn’t be the sole barometer for getting on the field. Lewis is probably improving with each practice, but he’s absorbing/reacting to the information differently than how PV expects him to.

    This is really really simplistic, but if you ask two programmers to develop an App that performs XYZ, I’ll put mad money on it that the code doesn’t look the same even if the result are statistically identical. Was either wrong with their methods, no. Chances are one is more streamlined than the other and took less time. Or maybe he obtuse one was faster because they didn’t take the time to refine it, but the results ring true.
     
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    I get the feeling that we're agreeing with each other in a manner which indicates disagreement.
     
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    don’t Agree with this. I’ve heard he actually works very hard in training but maybe nothing works for him. Training hard doesn’t get him into the team nor does playing well. Maybe his spirits are broken
     
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    That's possible. I've only attended one.
     
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    Never tell Matt Doyle anything...
     
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    You only get one strike...unless you're Khiry Shelton or Mikey Lopez, who got multiple second chances after being very publicly disciplined?
     
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    JayH Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Do you think he is following #LewisTheories?
     
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    mgarbowski Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    #JLewKnows
    #JLewFollows
     
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    LionNYC Senior Member Staff Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    But not before Vieira talks to Torrent
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