MLS - June 23 - Atlanta (RBA)

Predict the Result!

  • Win

    Votes: 4 44.4%
  • Draw

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Loss

    Votes: 3 33.3%

  • Total voters
    9
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Can anyone help with this:

I was pretty sure Taty had a shot early-ish in the game almost directly in front of goal. As I remember, it was a ball that was hard to control, he was moving, and he managed to direct the ball towards goal but with no force and right at Guzan. The problem is the shot charts show he had only one shot in the first half at 37' and it's not at all what I remember plus I thought it would have been earlier than that. I started scanning the overnight game recording but I don't have time to check the whole first half or even first 30 minutes this morning, so if someone can point me to it I'd appreciate it. Maybe I misremember the player? The when? The whole thing?

Also, the overnight recording from YES, was preset for 2.5 hours th which I added 30 minutes. It consists of 58 minutes of Yankee post game show, 30 minutes of Ian and Joe pre-game, and cuts off the actual game with about 15 minutes left. Something is very wrong when the primary overnight replay of a game that was not broadcast live cannot even be recorded as scheduled with a 30 minute cushion.

I can't even complain about the Yankee post game. It probably makes more money for YES than an NYCFC live game does. But they need to schedule the overnight stuff so the replay can happen as scheduled. Just start it later. The Yankee game did not even have extra innings and lasted 3:40 which means for the NYCFC replay to have started on time the Yankee game needed to last only about 2:40 which is almost impossible these days. Average MLB game length this year is 3:08. The replay was doomed before the Yankee game even started.

are you talking about the rebound shot he has early on in the game? It ended up hitting a defender and going out for a corner I believe. I'm pretty sure that happened much earlier than the 37th minute too. Strange MLS didn't record it.
 
duly noted. next time, smack you. understood.

i thought Sands would have made the pass if he had the option. ATL were doing some really tight man marking of our forwards and no one really had the pace to get in behind. This is something i think Thiago would have definitely opened things up for us in the 2nd half with tired ATL defenders. His pace would have caused some headaches and opened up space for other people. But I guess we'll have to wait til Sunday to see the brazilian magic.
I hear it, but at the same time I want to see him just attempt it in any capacity, just to see what he's capable of with the right runs.

Keaton's best game of the year by far, felt like he was everywhere last night. Nice to see that from a lineup without Maxi for the first 60 minutes or so. Gudi is still so damn slow. felt there were more passes (1-2's) in Amundsen's 5 minutes than Gudi's entire game. Will be interesting to see what changes are made for our game this weekend, if this really was a "rotation" lineup.

Slog of a game as we figured with ATL's man marking system. We were able to make some space early in the game but unable to finish any big chances (Medina), then allowed ATL into the game for the latter part of the 1st half. 2nd half was essentially all NYCFC, I can't remember ATL really challenging our defense/SJ during it.

Felt there should've been a red in the tackle on Jasson that was studs up and connected with his ankle, but I guess Elfath's 20 minute review didn't make him change his mind.

Weirdly, me and the people around me at the stadium didn't think Parks played well at all. We were hoping for him to come off for Maxi.

I have to admit that this game bored me to tears, so I may not have paid full attention, but Jasson didn’t seem to belong on the field, IMO. An MLS team with aspirations can’t have a player of his skill level taking corners or free kicks. He ain’t ready.

Game was boring AF. I don't think Jasson was good offensively, but he did smoke a few defenders with some moves at various points, so I'll give him that. There's flashes of brilliance among a lot of not so great offense. That being said, I liked his defensive work rate a lot. Tracking back, and him+gudi were communicating to attempt to keep their winger at bay. I'd much have liked to see our new firepower, but I understand Deila's "we can rotate so why not" mentality
 
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are you talking about the rebound shot he has early on in the game? It ended up hitting a defender and going out for a corner I believe. I'm pretty sure that happened much earlier than the 37th minute too. Strange MLS didn't record it.
That sounds right. Neither MLS nor Opta have it, but I think MLS gets its data from Opta. ASA does not publish individual shot info, but it has the same number of total shots for Taty as MLS/Opta do. So for some reason they're not treating it as a shot. I'll just have to watch the first part of the agme at regular speed to find it, probably. Thanks for confirming I'm not hallucinating though.
 
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Anyway, in terms of the match what really stuck with me is that our goal only happened because of a bad turnover by Atlanta inside our own half. Had that turnover not occurred I feel this would have ended 0-0.
That does not concern me. We still had to string together 2 very sweet passes to unlock Isi so it was not a total gift, and plays like that are part of the game. They made the turnover, we didn't, and there's some luck in that but we've had mostly bad luck so that's fine. Plus we were heavily rotated, with none of our new offensive talent on the field and even Maxi and Tinnerholm on the bench for 2/3 of the game.

I generally think people are too focused on our offense when it's our defense, and specifically a combination of bad luck and some weak play by Sean Johnson, that is the reason the team has underperformed. On offense, playing 7 of 9 games with zero depth (and honestly playing last night as if that still were the case), only 4 teams have as many or more goals than us. But on defense, 10 teams have given up as few or fewer goals than us even though we have given up the fewest shots and also the fewest xGoals in the entire league. For 80-90% of the field our defense is league best. But we're only 10th best in conceding goals. That's the problem. And if at the end of the day we win because our league best outfield defense gets a turnover that gives us a goal, I see nothing to be concerned about.
 
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I'm just annoyed that Sands had some really beautiful runs through the middle of the field and then when he was looking likely to stick a nice through ball somewhere, you could see he lacked that confidence... and then would turn sideways or backwards and pass it. That's the difference between world class and "meh" - If you can get that going, James, you're in for an amazing career.
Gudi is still so damn slow. felt there were more passes (1-2's) in Amundsen's 5 minutes than Gudi's entire game.
Sands had an absolutely gorgeous through ball to Gudi but he was too damn slow and couldn't get on the end of it. Gotta think if that was Malte, it would have resulted in a nice chance. Feel for sure that if it was Matarrita, it would've been connected.
 
Can anyone help with this:

I was pretty sure Taty had a shot early-ish in the game almost directly in front of goal. As I remember, it was a ball that was hard to control, he was moving, and he managed to direct the ball towards goal but with no force and right at Guzan. The problem is the shot charts show he had only one shot in the first half at 37' and it's not at all what I remember plus I thought it would have been earlier than that. I started scanning the overnight game recording but I don't have time to check the whole first half or even first 30 minutes this morning, so if someone can point me to it I'd appreciate it. Maybe I misremember the player? The when? The whole thing?

Also, the overnight recording from YES, was preset for 2.5 hours th which I added 30 minutes. It consists of 58 minutes of Yankee post game show, 30 minutes of Ian and Joe pre-game, and cuts off the actual game with about 15 minutes left. Something is very wrong when the primary overnight replay of a game that was not broadcast live cannot even be recorded as scheduled with a 30 minute cushion.

I can't even complain about the Yankee post game. It probably makes more money for YES than an NYCFC live game does. But they need to schedule the overnight stuff so the replay can happen as scheduled. Just start it later. The Yankee game did not even have extra innings and lasted 3:40 which means for the NYCFC replay to have started on time the Yankee game needed to last only about 2:40 which is almost impossible these days. Average MLB game length this year is 3:08. The replay was doomed before the Yankee game even started.

I think the chance you are remembering was Medina's and pretty early in the game, like around the 10th minute
 
With Jasson starting, just before the game I decided to do some digging on how many yellow cards he's drawn this season. Fbref doesn't have it, so I wasn't sure where else to turn, so I just used the ESPN game play-by-plays to count and noted he had drawn 4 coming into last night.

So glad I decided to look that up last second because he drew three more last night. I need to do some more digging to see if any other site is tracking this to first, confirm my research/counting and then to see where Jasson stacks in the league.

I would imagine he's drawn the most and if not, he's gotta be in the top 5. Then when you consider per 90 minutes played, I imagine he would have to be tops in the league (controlling for a decent sample size of minimum minutes played).
 
With Jasson starting, just before the game I decided to do some digging on how many yellow cards he's drawn this season. Fbref doesn't have it, so I wasn't sure where else to turn, so I just used the ESPN game play-by-plays to count and noted he had drawn 4 coming into last night.

So glad I decided to look that up last second because he drew three more last night. I need to do some more digging to see if any other site is tracking this to first, confirm my research/counting and then to see where Jasson stacks in the league.

I would imagine he's drawn the most and if not, he's gotta be in the top 5. Then when you consider per 90 minutes played, I imagine he would have to be tops in the league (controlling for a decent sample size of minimum minutes played).

I'm absolutely sure of that. It's funny that he gets fouled so much, because he doesn't have the pace nor the physicality to do much with the ball once he gets through a first challenge, but with his low center of gravity and his quick feet he seems to annoy the hell out of the guys marking him.
 
With Jasson starting, just before the game I decided to do some digging on how many yellow cards he's drawn this season. Fbref doesn't have it, so I wasn't sure where else to turn, so I just used the ESPN game play-by-plays to count and noted he had drawn 4 coming into last night.

So glad I decided to look that up last second because he drew three more last night. I need to do some more digging to see if any other site is tracking this to first, confirm my research/counting and then to see where Jasson stacks in the league.

I would imagine he's drawn the most and if not, he's gotta be in the top 5. Then when you consider per 90 minutes played, I imagine he would have to be tops in the league (controlling for a decent sample size of minimum minutes played).

its weird to me that they do foul him a lot. since he has not scored and i think has not even gotten an assist so hes not very dangerous, at least not yet.
 
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I'm absolutely sure of that. It's funny that he gets fouled so much, because he doesn't have the pace nor the physicality to do much with the ball once he gets through a first challenge, but with his low center of gravity and his quick feet he seems to annoy the hell out of the guys marking him.
Yeah, and he does do a decent job of moving the ball in a manner to draw fouls. But he also seems to be some crazy, unnecessary target for some of the fouls he's getting where he really didn't do anything himself to "earn" it. I don't quite get it.
 
Yeah, and he does do a decent job of moving the ball in a manner to draw fouls. But he also seems to be some crazy, unnecessary target for some of the fouls he's getting where he really didn't do anything himself to "earn" it. I don't quite get it.

plottwist: jasson uses his multilingual abilities to insult players constantly on the field so they foul him cause they hate him.
 
I'm absolutely sure of that. It's funny that he gets fouled so much, because he doesn't have the pace nor the physicality to do much with the ball once he gets through a first challenge, but with his low center of gravity and his quick feet he seems to annoy the hell out of the guys marking him.
I think you've nailed it. The quick feet is my best guess. He is reasonably capable of getting away from pressure; he's just not fast or talented enough to do much once that happens. But it seems to annoy defenders that someone of moderate ability keeps beating them on the first step and forcing them to chase him.

He's also very aggressive on 50-50 balls. He led the team with 17 duels last night. Parks was next with 12. For the season he has the second most duels on the team while playing only 55% of the minutes.
 
Sands had an absolutely gorgeous through ball to Gudi but he was too damn slow and couldn't get on the end of it. Gotta think if that was Malte, it would have resulted in a nice chance. Feel for sure that if it was Matarrita, it would've been connected.
Yeah, I think I remember that one and maybe even one other where you could see the space and the ball laid out in front of an onrushing attacker. Got excited, then saw it was #20 running onto it and realized that the vision and early idea/execution was there, but alas, the end result wasn't going to happen. *sigh*
 
Maybe it's just the mentality of the soccer player, or they are big fans of Trae Young, but we have too many players who look to draw PKs and fouls, when they should be looking to play through and take advantage of the scoring opportunity. We lose far more scoring opportunities than we gain PKs. KP was a good example last night - he needs to stay on his feet and score from a few yards out, not try to prompt the call. Taty gives up on so many opportunities by begging. Jasson is unique for some of the reasons cited above (I think in the lead is that he plays hard but is then overmatched/overrun.) The others don't have that excuse - they need to be schooled in no autopsy/no foul soccer.
 
Interesting (to me at least) xG development. Taty had a goal chance last night in minute 84. He was a foot away from goal and open but had to stretch his leg full length to strike a ball almost shoulder high off the outside of his foot. Last night Opta and MLS rated it a 66.7% xG chance. Today it has been downgraded to 27.7%. I don't know the details of the secret sauce but the revised number seems more appropriate given the difficulty of the chance, despite the location and being completely open.

ASA does not seem to have changed it, but they don't make shot by shot data publicly available. I can just see that the total xG has not gone down.
 
Maybe it's just the mentality of the soccer player, or they are big fans of Trae Young, but we have too many players who look to draw PKs and fouls, when they should be looking to play through and take advantage of the scoring opportunity. We lose far more scoring opportunities than we gain PKs. KP was a good example last night - he needs to stay on his feet and score from a few yards out, not try to prompt the call. Taty gives up on so many opportunities by begging. Jasson is unique for some of the reasons cited above (I think in the lead is that he plays hard but is then overmatched/overrun.) The others don't have that excuse - they need to be schooled in no autopsy/no foul soccer.
I believe that Taty's diving reputation costs him legitimate foul calls. He needs to publicly announce that he is forsaking diving and not dive for at least 10 games to reestablish credibility.
 
Interesting (to me at least) xG development. Taty had a goal chance last night in minute 84. He was a foot away from goal and open but had to stretch his leg full length to strike a ball almost shoulder high off the outside of his foot. Last night Opta and MLS rated it a 66.7% xG chance. Today it has been downgraded to 27.7%. I don't know the details of the secret sauce but the revised number seems more appropriate given the difficulty of the chance, despite the location and being completely open.

ASA does not seem to have changed it, but they don't make shot by shot data publicly available. I can just see that the total xG has not gone down.
Was that from the Maxi chip?

I was surprised that Taty was somehow even able to get on the end of that. Incredibly athletic play.

Also, Blue Balls said it on Twitter and I'll echo it here. His development as a target striker has been phenomenal. Yeah, the lack of goals lately is disappointing, but I never thought he had this hold up game. In years prior, instead of assisting ITS on the goal, he cracks a long shot.

I'm excited that he'll now have more talented runners to feed off him once Santi, Thiago, and Talles all get fully integrated.
 
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Was that from the Maxi chip?

I was surprised that Taty was somehow even able to get on the end of that. Incredibly athletic play.

Also, Blue Balls said it on Twitter and I'll echo it here. His development as a target striker has been phenomenal. Yeah, the lack of goals lately is disappointing, but I never thought he had this hold up game. In years prior, instead of assisting ITS on the goal, he cracks a long shot.

I'm excited that he'll now have more talented runners to feed off him once Santi, Thiago, and Talles all get fully integrated.

Yes, it was that Maxi chip over Guzan trying to score on the far post. Our xG has gone down from 2.2x to 1.9x overnight.
 
Was that from the Maxi chip?

I was surprised that Taty was somehow even able to get on the end of that. Incredibly athletic play.
Yes, and I agree. I also agree with the rest of your post about his development. Further, WRT what FredMertz FredMertz said just above, I also think his diving has decreased considerably (admittedly a very subjective take) but I agree with Fred that Taty probably has a ways to go before his reputation catches up.