And because it is such a complex situation, I wonder whether the idiots at MLS website will even review it on their review of contested referee decisions. They like to look knowledgeable, and they won't if they get into this.
MLS - May 15 - Toronto (Home)
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And because it is such a complex situation, I wonder whether the idiots at MLS website will even review it on their review of contested referee decisions. They like to look knowledgeable, and they won't if they get into this.
On balance, I am with Mark G. on the evaluation of the game: we've learned to play much better without Maxi than we used to, and we're becoming a very very solid defensive side. Sands in the middle of the defense is invaluable. He's elite. Yesterday we decided to live on a knife's edge throwing Jasson to mark Soteldo, and still the rotations of the other defenders were able to control the danger reasonably well once Soteldo had blown by Jasson (which was pretty much always). Same with Gudi against Laryea. I think Acevedo had a very good shift.
I now lean to believing this is one of those rules where ref discretion is so broad that both the Benzema and Medina calls can be deemed correct, and refs/ league officials, and people in the know accept that as the cost of having reasonable flexible rules, while fans seethe over massive inconsistency. So maybe the people saying the call is correct are completely justified AND it is impossible to make that consistent with the Benzema call.
Not to disagree, but I also have to admire a 17 year old kid who normally plays forward, would rather be at Yale, who is only here because of both a pandemic and lack of team forward options, being asked to fill in for a RB who is good at soccer as a hybrid midfield winger/RB and just going for it.
SoupInNYC had an analysis a couple days ago about how he doesn't shy from contact even though he lacks the heft to do so. Here are the game stats sorted by number of Duels:
Yes, that's Jasson on top with 13. Also his 53.85% Duel Percentage led the team. And his 2 tackles was tied with a few others for most in the game. He's a 17 year old undersized forward playing out of position against a very physical Toronto team and he completely threw himself into it. Give him a medal FFS, even if he couldn't keep up with Soteldo.
If Josef did exactly the same thing and Johnson punted it into him and it rolled into the goal, 100% the talking heads are all saying “heads up play by an elite forward” and the goal stands. No one is talking about esoteric rules about a slight jump or not.
Not to take anything away from your point here, but just wanted to clarify that he’s 19Not to disagree, but I also have to admire a 17 year old kid who normally plays forward, would rather be at Yale, who is only here because of both a pandemic and lack of team forward options, being asked to fill in for a RB who is good at soccer as a hybrid midfield winger/RB and just going for it.
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Yes, that's Jasson on top with 13. Also his 53.85% Duel Percentage led the team. And his 2 tackles was tied with a few others for most in the game. He's a 17 year old undersized forward playing out of position against a very physical Toronto team and he completely threw himself into it. Give him a medal FFS, even if he couldn't keep up with Soteldo.
I know that was an egregious mistake, but some credit has to be given to Medina on this (and I’m not saying you’re not giving him credit).
This was a hustle goal predicated on him applying pressure and looking to pounce in case a rebound occurred and it did. I can remember way back when I was like 8-9 years old in soccer practice and always being drilled to follow up on the shot.
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Also, looking at it, I think Ganter had his back to the play as he headed upfield and turned around only after he heard the ball hit Medina. You can also see the linesman follow the ball bounce and trickle towards goal after that event, which indicates he did not think the play was dead. I think Ganter did not see it, turned around, saw Medina crumble, and blew his whistle.
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Also, looking at it, I think Ganter had his back to the play as he headed upfield and turned around only after he heard the ball hit Medina. You can also see the linesman follow the ball bounce and trickle towards goal after that event, which indicates he did not think the play was dead. I think Ganter did not see it, turned around, saw Medina crumble, and blew his whistle.
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Also, looking at it, I think Ganter had his back to the play as he headed upfield and turned around only after he heard the ball hit Medina. You can also see the linesman follow the ball bounce and trickle towards goal after that event, which indicates he did not think the play was dead. I think Ganter did not see it, turned around, saw Medina crumble, and blew his whistle.
3 years - 3 ref failures that result in us losing our head and resulting in a loss or draw.
2019 - throw-in gate vs NJRB
2020 - the ball is round REF vs NJRB
2021 - Ref doesn't understand Law 12 vs TFC
I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones that stand out for me. Hopefully that is our one major ref failure for the year and we can expect better officiating.... probably not.
These things do go the other way as well, we just don't remember them as much.
The one that pops to mind immediately was a home game against LAG where Villa scored a goal while he was well offsides. Believe it was a deflected shot from someone else and DV was completely offsides when it was taken. I wanna say VAR was in place then and they just didn't take a look at it, but I'm not completely sure on that detail.
I also remember a goal scored by the Dynamo on a free kick where they never set the ball and a goal that NYCFC scored against the Revs where the ref blew the whistle on a phantom foul before NYCFC scored - goal should have stood.
what I don’t get is this “ref blows the whistle, can’t look at ANYTHING after that on VAR.”. If that is the case the guidance to refs should be to be hesitant in blowing their whistle, instead it is VERY inconsistent. In some instances the play goes on for seconds afterwards and in others the ref blows right away.
either get rid of that rule or tell the refs to wait several seconds before they hastily stop play.
linesmen are already told to keep the flag down if the offsides call is at all close. and only raise it after the play has ended and there's no threat of scoring a goal.
So, this guidance is already in place. Gantar and his linesmen just didn't follow it.
I find it hard to believe that in the year 2021, with everything we have at our disposal and all that has been experienced in the history of soccer... that the sound of a whistle made in haste and error by a human, creates an impenetrable shield against the correct outcome. Truly amazing.
As long as you're cool with players never stopping play when whistles blow.
How much “play” happened between the ball going off Medina’s head and going into the net?
This is on the ref for blowing the whistle before the ball hit the net. He and his linesmen were making calls as if VAR and its protocol didn't exist.
We lost 2 points due to an error and it would be unfair to change the outcome after the fact. But the refs need to be sanctioned if they haven't already
