MLS Week 16 - 2018

Crazy back and forth in Tor-DC
Ridiculously awful defending on par with Fester’s refereeing.

I don’t know how no one wanted to mark the TFC CB crashing forward to head the ball. Wtf.

Oh. Oops. My bad. Olsen coaches DCU. Which means they are effectively a pub team when it comes to, well, anything.
 
That TFC-DCU game was insane.

To keep in line with the thread from last night, I had a steak sandwich dinner with a nice Loire red followed by 2 hours of making games for the 5-year-old’s birthday party on Friday. Drudgery, except for the MLS game on in the background.

And boy, did the game ever deliver.

Despite salvaging a point, you have to doubt whether Toronto can find the thread this year and get above the line. It doesn’t get much easier than DCU at home, and TFC couldn’t decide whether to dominate or roll over and show their soft underbelly.

And a nice game by Patrick Mullins off the bench.
 
Despite salvaging a point, you have to doubt whether Toronto can find the thread this year and get above the line. It doesn’t get much easier than DCU at home, and TFC couldn’t decide whether to dominate or roll over and show their soft underbelly.
And as noted in the Schedule thread, TFC still has home/aways with Atlanta, NYCFC, and NJ.
 
I searched for thread titles with the words "coach" or "coaches". This is America. So not my fault.
I don’t think that’s a Euro thing, is it?

I mean, we have baseball managers. And soccer managers. And some clubs title it/hire
head coaches and some managers.

In Germany, they call the manager/head coach (either) a trainer. Which has very little to do with your point, but I’m always up for sharing knowledge.

So some head coaches are managers. But not all. But all managers are head coaches.

I think that ought to cover us for now.
 
I thought it deserved its own thread.

I wonder if he had gone 6-6 over his last 12 by winning one and losing one, back-and-forth, if they would have fired him.
 
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Kreis doesn’t Coach. Then again, he doesn’t really Manage.... maybe check under Bitch & Moan, or maybe Deflect Blame.
Fair enough, that.

I don’t think that’s a Euro thing, is it?

I mean, we have baseball managers. And soccer managers. And some clubs title it/hire
head coaches and some managers.

In Germany, they call the manager/head coach (either) a trainer. Which has very little to do with your point, but I’m always up for sharing knowledge.

So some head coaches are managers. But not all. But all managers are head coaches.

I think that ought to cover us for now.

You don't get the last word by ending your post like that.

But yeah, saying "this is America" was just a cheeky way to say the standard usage in MLS and locally for people with that job is head coach. Which it is. Check any MLS team's website and the official listed title is head coach, not manager. Generally my position is to go with standard usage for the locale, because I'm not invested enough in my preference to do something that will just cause confusion. So I call Klopp, Pep and Mourinho managers, and Kreis, Tata and Bradley coaches. But when Bradley was in Swansea -- brief as it was -- he was a manager. Same way I list team records as Win-Lose-Draw in MLS but Win-Draw-Lose most anywhere else. Doing anything else is bad communication.

I also don't generally don't pick fights on usage, but here the context matters. If I see someone write or say "manager" for an MLS coach I know what they mean and so I don't care, but when someone uses non-standard usage in a thread title which makes it impossible to find the thread by searching for the actual official usage, I'll answer that it's not my fault that I couldn't find the thread to post there.
 
Fair enough, that.



You don't get the last word by ending your post like that.

But yeah, saying "this is America" was just a cheeky way to say the standard usage in MLS and locally for people with that job is head coach. Which it is. Check any MLS team's website and the official listed title is head coach, not manager. Generally my position is to go with standard usage for the locale, because I'm not invested enough in my preference to do something that will just cause confusion. So I call Klopp, Pep and Mourinho managers, and Kreis, Tata and Bradley coaches. But when Bradley was in Swansea -- brief as it was -- he was a manager. Same way I list team records as Win-Lose-Draw in MLS but Win-Draw-Lose most anywhere else. Doing anything else is bad communication.

I also don't generally don't pick fights on usage, but here the context matters. If I see someone write or say "manager" for an MLS coach I know what they mean and so I don't care, but when someone uses non-standard usage in a thread title which makes it impossible to find the thread by searching for the actual official usage, I'll answer that it's not my fault that I couldn't find the thread to post there.
Fair enough.

I just felt like making a point since the media made a big deal of Arsenal naming Emery as head coach.

I’m good with whatever and have no grievance with your conventions.
 
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I just felt like making a point since the media made a big deal of Arsenal naming Emery as head coach
I missed that somehow. I knew he has less control and duties but not about the name change. Probably makes sense to split those roles; the title reflects that but I wonder if letting him keep the usual title might have avoided unnecessary drama. But not really my concern.
 
I wonder if letting him keep the usual title might have avoided unnecessary drama.
If I recall, I think Arsenal were very consciously trying to make a break from the Wenger model of, essentially, one-man rule. Wenger "managed" basically every aspect of that club. Emery's portfolio is much more restricted to first-team coaching, and even transfer decisions have been kicked up to a director of football.
 
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I actually enjoyed reading the “coach” v. “”manager” debate, and since it mentioned using the local term, just wanted to throw in that en español, you often see “entrenador” (trainer) and “director técnico” (technical director) which adds a whole new term to the mix, not to be confused with what we may call a “sporting director” here in the US.
Tomato/tomàto.
 
I actually enjoyed reading the “coach” v. “”manager” debate, and since it mentioned using the local term, just wanted to throw in that en español, you often see “entrenador” (trainer) and “director técnico” (technical director) which adds a whole new term to the mix, not to be confused with what we may call a “sporting director” here in the US.
Tomato/tomàto.
Came up in another thread a few weeks ago that German also uses "trainer" (well, the German word for it).