NYCFC Confirm Departure of PV. Nice Confirm Arrival of PV as Manager.

"Oh, you had Thai last night? I'll get us reservations somewhere else. What are you hungry for?"

"Don't shift the responsibility, I'll tell you when you guess right."
Well shit, it’s a whole lot easier for me to roll off restaurants in my neighborhood than to tell you which managers are available or where to find them, but that doesn’t change the fact that I can still give you my opinion of whether one selected seems to pass muster or is a panic signing.
 
I'm liking the Borrell option.

For those who don't, can you throw out some real suggestions on who you would prefer? Guillermo Barros Schelotto would have been my fantasy choice, but aside from that??
All we ever hear about is how NYCFC is a desirable club in MLS for future players and managers. If that’s the case, and CFG has the resources they do to get in touch with any/everybody, then it’s on them for the other possibilities. I’d like to assume they did kick over a few rocks for other managers, and if so, it’s telling that they then went internally. If not, then that’s troubling. But to ask the forums who else to choose is shifting responsibility.
 
All we ever hear about is how NYCFC is a desirable club in MLS for future players and managers. If that’s the case, and CFG has the resources they do to get in touch with any/everybody, then it’s on them for the other possibilities. I’d like to assume they did kick over a few rocks for other managers, and if so, it’s telling that they then went internally. If not, then that’s troubling. But to ask the forums who else to choose is shifting responsibility.
If their entire plan is to promote from within and they've been working assiduously to stock their pipeline with coaching talent, how does that shift your thinking?
 
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Don’t they kinda have to stay within the CFG family to maintain the play from the back, possession based game?
Possession-heavy, build-from-the-back is hardly unique to CFG teams. If a style is mandated by CFG (and honestly, despite everyone talking about "The City Way", I'm highly skeptical that it's particularly rigid... Man City sets up with a "free 8" running around in Silva and De Bruyne and it's not mandated that we try to do the same [though Maxi's movement might be very generously interpreted that way, I suppose]). But if ownership wants to say to prospective managers "are you willing to commit to building from the back and playing a quick-passing possession style?" I'm sure there are many potential candidates both willing and able to comply.
 
If their entire plan is to promote from within and they've been working assiduously to stock their pipeline with coaching talent, how does that shift your thinking?
It doesn’t. I haven’t seen the HG players get a real chance yet even though Sands is a better option than TMac. And I don’t want NYCFC to be a testing lab for MCFC coaches that want to be managers. There’s only so many places these coaches can graduate to within CFG, and unless Pep leaves, it’s even smaller. Plus, and this is probably my biggest issue, is that all development from within creates a completely homogeneous culture that lacks outside contrarian views, and in sports, a singular way of thinking/doing, even if proven the “best” ultimately whithers away painfully because the system is figured out and adapted to by opponents. If CFG wants to develop their academies with the tactics/skills of short passing/possession, that’s fine, but they should be constantly looking for offensive-minded coaches that can appreciate those skills while applying them in different ways/tactics. Example being Pep versus Klopp & Teuchel - they all play attacking and attractive soccer that keys on possession, but Klopp and Teuchel are less rigid in their ways and modifies their tactics as needed. At the same time, any one of those three could step into the others’ club and get results because the general principles are similar.
 
It doesn’t. I haven’t seen the HG players get a real chance yet even though Sands is a better option than TMac. And I don’t want NYCFC to be a testing lab for MCFC coaches that want to be managers. There’s only so many places these coaches can graduate to within CFG, and unless Pep leaves, it’s even smaller. Plus, and this is probably my biggest issue, is that all development from within creates a completely homogeneous culture that lacks outside contrarian views, and in sports, a singular way of thinking/doing, even if proven the “best” ultimately whithers away painfully because the system is figured out and adapted to by opponents. If CFG wants to develop their academies with the tactics/skills of short passing/possession, that’s fine, but they should be constantly looking for offensive-minded coaches that can appreciate those skills while applying them in different ways/tactics. Example being Pep versus Klopp & Teuchel - they all play attacking and attractive soccer that keys on possession, but Klopp and Teuchel are less rigid in their ways and modifies their tactics as needed. At the same time, any one of those three could step into the others’ club and get results because the general principles are similar.
I agree with your thoughts on homogenous cultures. The great thing about sports vs other industries is that it's really hard to ignore external ideas when you are held accountable for your ideologies on relatively short cycles, because you have games every week and various competitions.

I like to think that CFG let Vieira go because they saw enough of our performances in knockout / grudge matches. Or maybe they realized we need someone who is going to give our young players minutes. We tried the MLS-coach idea and discarded it when the experiment failed. We tried the old players from Europe approach and seem to have discarded it.

I'm not quite sure why I'm so rose-tinted today, given my recent mood towards the club. Perhaps just because there is someone to disagree with.
 
They should just hire Porter for the balance of the season and see how it goes -- write in some sort of mutual option in the contract.
 
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Medina is amazing....massive upgrade from Jack >>>> medina is shit
Will the super sensitive reactions on this site swing back?
I still think Medina is better than Jack.
 
I'm sorry I just don't understand bashing a move before we see how it shakes out. I was not in the Vieira camp when he was hired. He grew on me. I think he was a better manager and more tactically aware than Jason Kreis who many still believe to be a top MLS manager.

If it was up to me, I loved the Berhalter idea. Make him a Godfather offer. I think he's getting the USMNT job so he'd probably say no, but that would be the outsider who probably plays closest to the City Way.

This guy is a current assistant at a top side in the world. He's coached development sides. He's led front offices and scouting departments. This team mostly coaches itself anyway.

I'm not bashing it but it doesn't excite me, and I have concerns, as I tried to hint by saying "I'm not very excited," "is for me a cause of concern," and "Definitely not excited."

Obviously you never know with a new coach hire, and not just first timers. He could be great. But I have reservations from multiple angles.
  • Any young European coach who comes here for his first head coaching job is looking for his next head coaching job back in Europe from almost Day 1.
  • Learning from Pep is great, no doubt. And maybe it's just that thing where you want the opposite of what you just had but I would much rather have someone who coached a team in a lower division for a few years than someone who developed youth talent and sat next to Pep for 2 years.
  • We just gave a guy his first coaching experience, and as soon he got the team playing the way he wants it, he caught someone's eye, and left before any substantive achievements.
  • I remain a CFG skeptic. They have neither won me over nor have I given up on them. One of the main reasons I remain unconvinced is stuff like this. The obvious +/- that we have been over dozens of times here is we get somewhat large spending on solid players, but with a definite budgetary outlook and expectation that they be developed, showcased, and sold for the benefit of Man City's FFP balance sheet. The one thing I want out of that bargain absolutely is an absolute commitment to winning with those players while they are here. But if CFG hires 2 straight coaches whose greatest managerial experience and background with CFG is youth development and not coaching competitive teams, I have trouble believing that's the primary remit.
 
How much does this being a mid-season replacement affect who the team can bring in? Don’t they kinda have to stay within the CFG family to maintain the play from the back, possession based game? We have the players for that system, so we can’t really afford to have someone come in with a totally different system that the players may not fit as well.
We should hire Pep Ljinders. Or this guy. What the fuck do I know when it comes to hiring dudes who coach academy kids. I’m sure there’s a difference. I’m sure we can’t tell it. And I’m pretty sure CFG can’t either.
 
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I'm not bashing it but it doesn't excite me, and I have concerns, as I tried to hint by saying "I'm not very excited," "is for me a cause of concern," and "Definitely not excited."

Obviously you never know with a new coach hire, and not just first timers. He could be great. But I have reservations from multiple angles.
  • Any young European coach who comes here for his first head coaching job is looking for his next head coaching job back in Europe from almost Day 1.
  • Learning from Pep is great, no doubt. And maybe it's just that thing where you want the opposite of what you just had but I would much rather have someone who coached a team in a lower division for a few years than someone who developed youth talent and sat next to Pep for 2 years.
  • We just gave a guy his first coaching experience, and as soon he got the team playing the way he wants it, he caught someone's eye, and left before any substantive achievements.
  • I remain a CFG skeptic. They have neither won me over nor have I given up on them. One of the main reasons I remain unconvinced is stuff like this. The obvious +/- that we have been over dozens of times here is we get somewhat large spending on solid players, but with a definite budgetary outlook and expectation that they be developed, showcased, and sold for the benefit of Man City's FFP balance sheet. The one thing I want out of that bargain absolutely is an absolute commitment to winning with those players while they are here. But if CFG hires 2 straight coaches whose greatest managerial experience and background with CFG is youth development and not coaching competitive teams, I have trouble believing that's the primary remit.
I am pretty fine with being a feeder club and league as long as the upside of investing in MLS remains low relative to other leagues they are investing in. I hope that they see how much more quickly they can grow MLS here by pushing against the boundaries - and I hope that LAFC and Atlanta keep them from becoming complacent. I don't think their feeder strategy even really works if they aren't making us a great brand and a winning team because it has to be an attractive team to join and plunder, so that's why I remain at ease. For now.
 
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Two assistants staying, or at least not going to France.
 
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