Nycfc V Orlando City - Post-match
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Lol I completely forgot how awful Shelton was. Kreis made the right decision in postponing his appearance.
We're manic after wins, too. New York is not a city of moderation.
Somebody finally journalismed:
Apparently Angelino got hurt the day before and nobody- team, announcers, reporters - thought that worth mentioning until 25 hours after the game.
Apparently Angelino got hurt the day before and nobody- team, announcers, reporters - thought that worth mentioning until 25 hours after the game.
My point is if a rookie isn't getting enough reps because the coach is playing his friends instead, how is he supposed to develop? We don't have a USL team.
Guys guys we gave good effort level. It's okay.
Can we let him know his effort sucked? Because it did.
Agreed. We drove 3 hours and we're feeling pretty bummed walking toward the stadium coming to the realization that Pirlo would not be playing.
But we had a great time. Sec 101 Row Q. There was a small (but loud) group of NYCFC fans several rows behind us (Sec P20 or something). Orlando really supports that team.
We'll definitely go back next year for NYC.
As far as the play on the pitch for us? Pretty friggin meh. Some nice saves, Villa dribbled through like 5 defenders and dished out two tasty no-look passes and Mix had a very good match. We got outplayed by a team that had a lot of missed opportunities.
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I get why people are pissed at the situation (delta between expectation and reality), but it's odd to me that we tend to attribute it to his flaws as a human being. I haven't seen any indication that he's not dedicated to the cause or has no appetite for hard work. If anything, he's a barely-moderately talented player who has achieved what he has through ridiculous amounts of effort.
From my perspective he's given us a presence in midfield that we didn't have before, established himself as a leader, and is trying to build a relationship with the fans at every opportunity. He may have been reluctant to turn the page on his top flight career, but who wouldn't be? He's here now and he appears to be fully committed and loving his new city.
He was out of sorts on Friday night, but that can happen when you spend all of your time chasing the ball and being starved of touches. By the time the ball comes your way, you've forgotten what to do with it. He actually looked a lot better when Poku came on and he dropped deeper into midfield to collect the ball. We missed Pirlo's trademark check towards defense all night, and when Lampard started doing it we were actually able to move the ball through midfield again. If anything, perhaps a learning moment for the team.
Yeah it's a bit embarrassing. Complete and utter clogger. I hope it's just cause he's young but right now he confirms the American soccer stereotype of ridiculous athlete with stupid feet.
The balance of our team is wrong.
We don't defend as a team.
I put it down to lack of ability and awareness of defence and midfield (they don't work in tandum)
Coupled with a coach who can't set us up defensively even with his defensive, cautious mindset.
We don't defend as a team.
I put it down to lack of ability and awareness of defence and midfield (they don't work in tandum)
Coupled with a coach who can't set us up defensively even with his defensive, cautious mindset.
This has been hashed out so many times I'm not getting into it again. Look for threads with the word "Lampard" in the title and you'll see this gone over and over from all sides back when it happened. Since it seems you weren't around here back when I give you bullet points:
- his first act with the club was a lie - a press conference where he, NYCFC and MLS announced in July that he signed a contract with MLS/NYCFC. MLS listed the transaction on their player transaction log and the club made all these statements about how important it was for foreign DPs to start on Day 1. It was all a lie. He had in fact secretly signed with CFG and Man City. He never signed with NYCFC until January 2015. It was fraud from the outset.
- Nobody ever apologized. "Saying "I'm sorry" cures a lot. The sentence carries a lot of power, as does the refusal to say it. Never saying it shows your contempt for those you lied to.
For some people, their opinion of his actions seems to be based on whether one accepts the notion wanting something very much makes it ok to lie and break your word. Others of us find that notion morally suspect.
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Since we're recapping for the benefit of those who came in late, I will mention that, if put in Lampard's position (i.e., told by owners to delay reporting to his MLS team and instead to continue playing for the defending Premier League champions), anyone would do what he did. I would. You would. The person who is lying is that person who claims that he/she would not do so.
And Lampard didn't apologise because he had done nothing wrong. It cannot be stated strongly enough or often enough that his actions throughout were entirely in keeping with the norms of professional responsibilities and ethics. It's only a small delusional set of fans with an outsized sense of their own importance who refuse to acknowledge this.
By contrast, the vast majority of NYCFC's fans understand this. We understand where the club stands in the grand scheme of things. Of course we love the club and we're happy to have it; but we realise that it is a very, very, very small club by global standards. Therefore, when a world-class player priorities playing for a title in the world's top league, and, even after the team's title hopes fade, stays in order to contribute to a finish in a Champions League spot (which, incidentally, is worth the combined budgets of many MLS teams), we grasp that this is no insult to us, but merely a reflection of the relative status of the leagues and the teams in question.
Furthermore, Lampard's absence from NYCFC's matches until mid-season ultimately made no difference. There is absolutely nothing about the long-term fate of this team that depended on its making the playoffs in Year 1. Indeed, squeaking into the league's comically enlarged playoff field would arguably have hurt the team's progress by making the inevitable move past the current manager that much more difficult.
The first year, despite its many frustrations, has been a huge success. NYCFC is the second most successful debut in New York sporting history, second only to that of the Mets. And Lampard played a tremendous role in that, first by attracting fans at his signing (this is what convinced me to become a fan, as his signing showed that this team is serious, and that the time for sneering at MLS is (mostly) past); and then, when he began playing, he was a huge draw at the gate. His quality on the pitch illustrated his commitment to staying fit despite age, and further demonstrated MLS's ever-improving standard of play.
The best news of all is that Lampard will have a proper off-season, and will return to us at full strength next year. We have every reason to expect continued significant contribution from this legend who is the unequivocal face of our team, and who will always be regarded as the single most important piece of the team's successful launch.
And Lampard didn't apologise because he had done nothing wrong. It cannot be stated strongly enough or often enough that his actions throughout were entirely in keeping with the norms of professional responsibilities and ethics. It's only a small delusional set of fans with an outsized sense of their own importance who refuse to acknowledge this.
By contrast, the vast majority of NYCFC's fans understand this. We understand where the club stands in the grand scheme of things. Of course we love the club and we're happy to have it; but we realise that it is a very, very, very small club by global standards. Therefore, when a world-class player priorities playing for a title in the world's top league, and, even after the team's title hopes fade, stays in order to contribute to a finish in a Champions League spot (which, incidentally, is worth the combined budgets of many MLS teams), we grasp that this is no insult to us, but merely a reflection of the relative status of the leagues and the teams in question.
Furthermore, Lampard's absence from NYCFC's matches until mid-season ultimately made no difference. There is absolutely nothing about the long-term fate of this team that depended on its making the playoffs in Year 1. Indeed, squeaking into the league's comically enlarged playoff field would arguably have hurt the team's progress by making the inevitable move past the current manager that much more difficult.
The first year, despite its many frustrations, has been a huge success. NYCFC is the second most successful debut in New York sporting history, second only to that of the Mets. And Lampard played a tremendous role in that, first by attracting fans at his signing (this is what convinced me to become a fan, as his signing showed that this team is serious, and that the time for sneering at MLS is (mostly) past); and then, when he began playing, he was a huge draw at the gate. His quality on the pitch illustrated his commitment to staying fit despite age, and further demonstrated MLS's ever-improving standard of play.
The best news of all is that Lampard will have a proper off-season, and will return to us at full strength next year. We have every reason to expect continued significant contribution from this legend who is the unequivocal face of our team, and who will always be regarded as the single most important piece of the team's successful launch.
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There is a difference between effort & organization. I think the effort is there (except for the ten minutes after Larin's 2nd). Our organization in the middle is very bad; Larin got free on both by just barreling down and our defensive mids & center backs were unable to handle it.
Our organization on offense was also quite off; multiple times we'd penetrate down the sides only to find not nearly enough people in the middle. Couple that with the timidness of whoever was the 2nd attacking option (especially Khiry at the end), and it feels like we're trying with one hand tied behind our back.
Our organization on offense was also quite off; multiple times we'd penetrate down the sides only to find not nearly enough people in the middle. Couple that with the timidness of whoever was the 2nd attacking option (especially Khiry at the end), and it feels like we're trying with one hand tied behind our back.
The fact that for some clowns Lampard is the face of our team says it all really.
By the way, the guy Kreis thought wasn't good enough has a brace in 15 mins. So is Kreis that fucking incompetent or did he make that call because Grella would mean more competition for Grabavoy?
By the way, the guy Kreis thought wasn't good enough has a brace in 15 mins. So is Kreis that fucking incompetent or did he make that call because Grella would mean more competition for Grabavoy?
If we had Grella he'd be sitting on the bench, getting 15-20 minutes a game.
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