I'm listening to it now and it's honestly a great discussion IMO.
Stadium Discussion
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I’m sure it is. But if the takeaway is “stadium is out of our hands” and “we’re not a big spending club” then I know all I need to know.
What a fucking whiff by MLS
What a fucking whiff by MLS
i really think becoming a bigger spending club will happen after the stadium happens. if i were the club, stadium would be my #1 priority. he's not wrong that there are a lot of difficulties and the community/city/state controls whether anything is done. if not for debozo and co, we would have a stadium already. it doesn't take much to kill a development here in NYC and getting local community support, first and foremost, is probably the best way to ensure stadium plans succeed going forward.
and.. it's not like we aren't spending either. our roster is not bottom of the table. we just aren't spending huge bucks on 3 DPs... cause we only have 1 DP at the moment.
Yeah, when Sims said it doesn't make financial sense to get Aguero. My face was:
We're not supposed to make financial sense. CFG is supposed to have the smartest soccer minds in the world. They can't figure out MLS' rules after 6 years? Spend where you can, as much as you can to win a damn title.
This is a chicken and egg thing. They need to spend to generate excitement to make the spending on the stadium worth it to generate excitement.
not really.
the stadium development is more involved than just the stadium and soccer. there is community development with services, facilities, and rejuvenation of the area in and around the stadium involved as well. i'm willing to bet most of the people in that community could give a rat's ass if we had messi, ronaldo, neymar, and mbappe on our roster or if we sold out the stadium every game. To them, it's their everyday life and not wanting to get the short end of the stick of a development project.
Would spending generate excitement around the club? Sure. But I don't think that translates to getting a stadium faster. But having a stadium and a true home for our squad, will help generate excitement and be more alluring to new players and fans alike.
Yeah, when Sims said it doesn't make financial sense to get Aguero. My face was:
We're not supposed to make financial sense. CFG is supposed to have the smartest soccer minds in the world. They can't figure out MLS' rules after 6 years? Spend where you can, as much as you can to win a damn title.
Exactly. He’s telling us this is about money and not soccer.
The deal wasYeah, when Sims said it doesn't make financial sense to get Aguero. My face was:
We're not supposed to make financial sense. CFG is supposed to have the smartest soccer minds in the world. They can't figure out MLS' rules after 6 years? Spend where you can, as much as you can to win a damn title.
- Ethically compromised ownership
- Hand me down uniforms and colors
- Tone deaf Manchester management who aren’t even smart enough to write in American English or keep email lists separate
- Transparently manufactured cookie-cutter “city” culture replicated in every franchise
- "Spend where you can, as much as you can to win a damn title."
I wish I could give you a year’s worth of likes
You've made many good points, none of which appear to be related to what I said.
I didn't say or even suggest that excitement would bring a stadium faster.
The longer the team stays mediocre and the greater the disinterest level grows, the less appealing a large financial investment in a stadium gets. Do you think multiple years of indifference gets wiped away by a new stadium? And if it does, history suggests any stadium life won't last long.
Would a tone deaf organization have made our uniforms "Bronx Blue"? They even went to the trouble of inventing that color before they made the uniforms out of it, because they sure as shit didn't use the blue from the bronx flag.
Part of me really wants to see New York City vs. Manchester City in the FIFA Club World Cup. If we're amazing up 2-1 in the finally 5 minutes...what happens? Does a call happen from Abu Dhabi to our bench to stay let them score?
Would CFG rather have Man City win the UEFA Champions League or NYCFC get a stadium?
Rooting to NYCFC made me not wish Yankees win World Series because we could have home playoff games in Yankee Stadium. But I grew up a Yankee fan.
Be better CFG for us.
I listened to the interview, and this is not fair on either account. Here's what I took out of it.
On the Stadium, he basically made it sound like they have their spot and they're now in the public approval process.
On the spending, his point was that they're not going after high-priced veterans because they don't move the needle with fans the way we think it does AND those players don't appear to help you win, generally speaking. That they are looking to sign players who might not help in the box office, but will help more on the field than the Lampards and Pirlos will. Based on our limited success with those types of players, he's right.
And you believe all of this?
What did Almirante cost? Or Vela? Or Giovinco? It’s bullshit and easily proveable that is bullshit
I really miss the buzz of the first 3 years. That's what we should be aiming for year-in and year-out. If they can't get us hyped with a stadium they can at least do it with players.
Yankee Stadium was actually quite pleasant with 22-25k actual people in attendance. The atmosphere quality drops dramatically once you get below that and then the fans trickle away from there. When YS has 12-15k, all the issues of playing in a baseball stadium are magnified. Point being, a drop of a couple thousand lead to further residual drops, so bringing in a player who "only" draws 2-3k can stave off losses, making the signing more recoverable.
He was pretty convincing talking about the financial impact of those moves. So, I dunno. Would I love another player like David Villa? Of course, but for every David Villa there are two Andrea Pirlos. DP signings are very hit-and-miss, so if they think they can do better somewhere else, then I'm willing to give them that chance.
Also, Villa and Aguero are on a different level than Almiron and Giovinco. Avoiding aging big names that would cost a lot shouldn't preclude lesser known "stars" that wouldn't cost as much.
Vela is on a tier of his own. He is a player that NYCFC should aspire to sign - but he was also signed by a team opening a new stadium that could fully maximize his off-field benefits. Whatever one's personal feeling on CFG, I would anticipate a name or two on this level to be signed if (when) a new stadium opens. I wouldn't expect it at the tail end of a pandemic that has upended the world football economy.
Also, with respect to the stadium, NYCFC was founded in 2013, eight years ago. For comparison, Barclay's Center was first proposed in 2004 with the first game played in 2012 - eight years later. An established and existing franchise in a major league took eight years to complete a new arena within New York City (an arena with a smaller footprint). Expecting a team not yet established in a minor league to match that development time frame is unrealistic. If NYCFC can play its first game in a new stadium by 2027 - fourteen years after team founding - that is a proportionate time frame.
MLS is a minor league and NYCFC is a minor league team. Accept that and fandom is much simpler. And more fun.
MLS is a minor league and NYCFC is a minor league team. Accept that and fandom is much simpler. And more fun.
