Stadium Discussion

Where Do You Want The Stadium?

  • Manhattan

    Votes: 54 16.6%
  • Queens

    Votes: 99 30.5%
  • Brooklyn

    Votes: 19 5.8%
  • Staten Island

    Votes: 7 2.2%
  • Westchester

    Votes: 18 5.5%
  • The Bronx

    Votes: 113 34.8%
  • Long Island

    Votes: 7 2.2%
  • Dual-Boroughs

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Etihad Island

    Votes: 5 1.5%

  • Total voters
    325
There have been indications that the club wants to raise prices significantly whenever the stadium does open.
This is the opposite of what they should do, which is provide an opportunity to get season tickets at the new stadium for a significantly cheaper price than what prices will be raised to in, say, year two or three, and allow STHs to lock in that initial low price for, say, the first three to five years.

What the organization should want to do is sell every seat at that stadium, lock in as big an attendance as they can, and then gradually increase pricing to what the market will bear while collecting all of their own concession and merch money. Take less than maximal ticket profit for the first few years while establishing loyal, large attendance which will spend on high markup items like food and hats. The stadium is a long term money-making asset, and especially given that our ownership group can float losses for a long, long time to no detriment, their focus should be on doing whatever it takes to pack that place.

A significant bump in prices when the stadium opens is idiotic. Which means it's highly likely.
 
What the organization should want to do is sell every seat at that stadium, lock in as big an attendance as they can, and then gradually increase pricing to what the market will bear while collecting all of their own concession and merch money. Take less than maximal ticket profit for the first few years while establishing loyal, large attendance which will spend on high markup items like food and hats.
Absolutely correct. Sellouts should be the number one goal, especially while soccer remains low profile in the general public consciousness. I’m honestly astounded the club doesn’t pursue this strategy. Maybe they will, with a stadium, but it really doesn’t seem like Sims’s vision.
 
Absolutely correct. Sellouts should be the number one goal, especially while soccer remains low profile in the general public consciousness. I’m honestly astounded the club doesn’t pursue this strategy. Maybe they will, with a stadium, but it really doesn’t seem like Sims’s vision.

What is Sims vision?
 

FWIW, after they put up the nets last year I had 2 fairly long conversations with my ticket rep. At first, she brought up some leaked stadium designs that seemed like part of a script, but after talking for a while she kinda stepped out of her sales role and told me that the reps had no insight into the stadium search and really only knew the small tidbits they overheard in the halls.
 
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Honest Question - Do you think having a soccer specific stadium in the five boroughs will cure all the woes fans have with the front office? Because I think it possibly could only get worse.

The good thing is, with our own stadium, and CFG running 100% of the show, we’ll certainly know if we’re seen as supporters or consumers.
 
The good thing is, with our own stadium, and CFG running 100% of the show, we’ll certainly know if we’re seen as supporters or consumers.

Though - The hospitality (including food and beverage service) will likely be contracted out to Legends who operate Yankee Stadium, so it will be interesting to see what CFG can 100 percent control or what they can negotiate.

So tifos, smoke, standing section, etc, etc. is 100% CFG, but a lot of the other stuff they don't directly do.
 
The hospitality (including food and beverage service) will likely be contracted out to Legends
Well, the other thing CFG should absolutely do once NYCFC has a stadium is buy the Yankees out of their 20% ownership as that arrangement will no longer serve any purpose. And then there's no reason for Legends to get the hospitality contract.
 
Honest Question - Do you think having a soccer specific stadium in the five boroughs will cure all the woes fans have with the front office? Because I think it possibly could only get worse.
It solves some but not all. It could, but does not have to, make some worse. I don't trust the instincts or judgment of the people running things, so I expect at least some of the things that can get worse, will.
 
It solves some but not all. It could, but does not have to, make some worse. I don't trust the instincts or judgment of the people running things, so I expect at least some of the things that can get worse, will.
This is so refreshing to hear you succinctly state regarding those running things. You’re typically very guarded with your critique, but the recent renewal episode seems to have greased the wheels.
 
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Honest Question - Do you think having a soccer specific stadium in the five boroughs will cure all the woes fans have with the front office? Because I think it possibly could only get worse.
I think a stadium solves most of our issues. Definitely agree with Mark and others here that some of the problems are related purely to management, so won’t change. But to my view, the primary troubles are: (i) gameday atmosphere; (ii) scheduling; and (iii) mental real estate.

(i) The atmosphere at el Yankees sucks not necessarily because of the supporters, but because, physically, the space isn’t built for this sport. The stands are half full even when we’re pulling top-tier-for-MLS crowds. Most of the seats are angled oddly relative to the field and the shoulda-been-prime midfield seats have some of the worst views. Fans are clumped oddly throughout the stadium based on these factors. Crowd noise escapes straight out the wide open roof. Fans are too exposed to the elements when we play non-baseball season games in February. The field suffers constant slap-dash conversions, to the detriment of the sport and the look of the surface. And, relatedly, the camera angle sucks on the broadcast, adding to a broader bad look and public perception.

(ii) The scheduling is bad and NYCFC/Yankees/MLS should feel bad. We have, what 6 midweek games out of 17 home games? I don’t know about y’all but 6:00 on a Wednesday doesn’t often work for me, and doesn’t seem like a good setup in this city. Weird gaps in the schedule mean you’re never quite sure when to expect the next game and can lead to lapses in attention in the middle of the season. Then we have these brutal runs at the end of the season with too many games right as our players are wearing out so of course we have injuries and an entirely predictable dip in form right when we should be building momentum for the playoffs. Oh, and who knows if we’ll manage to host our own playoff games or if one day we’re going to have an MLS Cup in Hartford.

(iii) Until the team builds in the city it’s always going to be, on some level, only contingent in the city. They can rent all they want, but the general public just sees minor league. If we have our own stadium, then it gets real. People will invest time, attention, money, care in a team if it feels like an actual fixture. Until then, we’re all just weirdos as far as the big picture goes around here.

Oh, and better gameday atmosphere and scheduling and mental real estate probably goes a long way toward better attendance and righting the ticket pricing problems (i.e., primary market is way overpriced currently).

So, yeah, I think a stadium fixes a lot. It’s not sufficient to solve everything, but it’s certainly necessary to the endeavor.

By the way, my six-year-old son asked me this morning, “Why are the Red Bulls called the *New York* Red Bulls if they play in New Jersey?” I explained metropolitan regions and sports markets, and he basically got it, but he still cheered when I answered his follow up question, No, we don’t have to go to Jersey this weekend. The game’s at home in the Bronx. Home means something, and NYCFC needs it.
 
This is so refreshing to hear you succinctly state regarding those running things. You’re typically very guarded with your critique, but the recent renewal episode seems to have greased the wheels.

I just address each issue as it comes and as I see it. In roughly just the last 2 weeks I've
  1. kept mostly silent on the grandfathering of wayward Founding Members because I really don't care -- I think it's fine -- but at the same time I understand why others are very bothered;
  2. defended the Blue Card initiative;
  3. heavily criticized the renewal process; and
  4. defended the team and argued with adam adam this morning about whether it's reasonable to expect the team to have offloaded Medina this summer.
I try to be fair and not let my displeasure with one aspect color everything else (or let them slide on anything because other things are done well). I might be right or wrong about all of these things but that's my approach. Probably what bugs me the most and what drove the comment you responded to is they never seem to own their mistakes, starting with Lampard. If they issued a statement in January 2015 acknowledging that it was wrong to claim falsely in summer 2014 that he signed a team contract, and maybe explaining why they did that, I'd be a lot more charitable towards inexplicable behavior now.
 
I just address each issue as it comes and as I see it. In roughly just the last 2 weeks I've
  1. kept mostly silent on the grandfathering of wayward Founding Members because I really don't care -- I think it's fine -- but at the same time I understand why others are very bothered;
  2. defended the Blue Card initiative;
  3. heavily criticized the renewal process; and
  4. defended the team and argued with adam adam this morning about whether it's reasonable to expect the team to have offloaded Medina this summer.
I try to be fair and not let my displeasure with one aspect color everything else (or let them slide on anything because other things are done well). I might be right or wrong about all of these things but that's my approach. Probably what bugs me the most and what drove the comment you responded to is they never seem to own their mistakes, starting with Lampard. If they issued a statement in January 2015 acknowledging that it was wrong to claim falsely in summer 2014 that he signed a team contract, and maybe explaining why they did that, I'd be a lot more charitable towards inexplicable behavior now.
It’s always ok to argue with adam adam especially when he posts pictures of his kosher cheeseburger monstrosity.
 
Honest Question - Do you think having a soccer specific stadium in the five boroughs will cure all the woes fans have with the front office? Because I think it possibly could only get worse.
I've been thinking this for a while now. No, it won't solve the problems. They need to be solved separately and simultaneously to reverse the growing irrelevance and declining attendance.
Chicago and Houston both drew much better before they built their Stadiums. Now, because of general incompetence, they are both disastrous franchises even though Houston at least has a centrally located stadium.
 
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I've been thinking this for a while now. No, it won't solve the problems. They need to be solved separately and simultaneously to reverse the growing irrelevance and declining attendance.
Chicago and Houston both drew much better before they built their Stadiums. Now, because of general incompetence, they are both disastrous franchises even though Houston at least has a centrally located stadium.
Agreed. There are many varied problems that all contribute to the dissatisfaction with the club’s operations. The Stadium is one item that will help to right the ship, but failure to address the myriad of other concerns that have been listed, it’s like Jack Dawson surviving the titanic only to be left drifting & clinging to the flotsam while wet and facing hypothermia.
 
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I've been thinking this for a while now. No, it won't solve the problems. They need to be solved separately and simultaneously to reverse the growing irrelevance and declining attendance.
Chicago and Houston both drew much better before they built their Stadiums. Now, because of general incompetence, they are both disastrous franchises even though Houston at least has a centrally located stadium.

Chicago's stadium is an example of what happens when you put a city's team outside city limits. You get a major drop in attendance. Not only that, it's just not a very nice stadium and even the training facility for the players is sub-par.

Houston is an example of FO blunders ruining the game day experience and driving fans away.

Common denominator is how the club handles game day experience and how the club treats its loyal supporters. Building a connection, an emotional connection with the club and its supporters should be job #1 for any club. That ensures that even when a club is not doing so well, the supporters stick around. So far, our beloved club is moving in the wrong direction, which is worrying considering now is the time to double down with a stadium on the horizon.

Yes, a new stadium will come with fanfare and a spike in attendance, but the key is to keep attendance high. Especially, if they are really planning on 25k-30k capacity. We don't want to be like RBA and having to close off sections due to low attendance. That would just be sad.

Attendance has dropped again this year and it's noticeable in the game day atmosphere for sure. I'm curious what kind of crowd we're going to get on saturday vs NJ. We regularly sell out for derby games though.
 

I'm going to have to say that if an account exec had been told about stadium news (thus implying that ALL of them knew) then there's a 100% chance the news would've leaked as a result - and I mean more than just one of those execs saying "we're close to an announcement".

Heck, I don't even have an account rep, on account of living 3,000 miles away, but I'm pretty sure that I myself can count at least half a dozen occasions I've heard that someone at the club has reportedly said that there's news on the horizon, and it's come to nothing...
 
sundance sundance with the post of the year. Spot on. I disagree with LionNYC LionNYC

Having a stadium takes so many negatives off the table.

- We promised a stadium and we came through
- You hate watching soccer in a baseball stadoum
- Correct Field size
- No cross merchandising
- Our own concessions
- No more midweek games
- Shitty field
- Hosting Cup matches
- Access to international friendlies
- Crappy atmosphere
- Rules that pertain to Yankee Stadium on tifos and smoke
- Bragging rights on a new stadium

All of these are massive wins.