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Pia was like Jurgen, putting players on the field for tactical and formation purposes.
Ellis is putting out the best (and most wanted) 11 on the field. Which is what the players wanted, who ousted Pia.
Talent alone will not be what it takes for the USWNT to win as other countries are getting better and better quickly.
From the other perspective, though, a fantastic result for England, who haven't had a result against the US in several matches (IIRC), and are finally emerging from being considered a second-tier team on the international circuit to being one of the top countries around. Disappointed I missed the game (I watched our loss against France) but I'm hopeful that we can get a result against Germany and maybe even win the tournament. The third-place finish in the 2015 Women's World Cup really kicked England into another gear.
Plus, in CFG news, six of the England players on the field were MCWFC players plus another two on the bench (including Karen Bardsley, an American-born English goalie who played for Sky Blue FC a few years back), and then Carli Lloyd in that number for the US too.
Plus, in CFG news, six of the England players on the field were MCWFC players plus another two on the bench (including Karen Bardsley, an American-born English goalie who played for Sky Blue FC a few years back), and then Carli Lloyd in that number for the US too.
Lion, you can't compare Pia to Jurgen Klinnsman.
Shit, man.
Ellis is not playing to win this tournament. She's try to figure out who should stay on the squad and who should go.
I was against her before this year. Seems to me she knows Alex is not her best striker. She is the one charged with dumping all of this deadweight and moving the team forward. Not an easy thing.
I admire her making the tactical and strategic changes she's attempting this cycle. I hope it works.
We could probably do better. But we've also done and could do worse.
Got really tired of trying to find a seemingly non-existent calendar of fixtures for our national teams so I decided to make one. Includes matches for both the men's and women's senior national teams. I'm basing it off the page at https://www.ussoccer.com/schedule-tickets and I've set up a visualping notification to do a daily check to see when the page changes, so I should be able to keep it pretty up to date. The calendar is at
http://icalshare.com/calendars/9090
and you should be able to subscribe to it on more or less any calendar you might use. If you use it let me know if you find any issues, and feel free to spread this far and wide should you so desire.
Crossposting this to both the USMNT and USWNT threads.
http://icalshare.com/calendars/9090
and you should be able to subscribe to it on more or less any calendar you might use. If you use it let me know if you find any issues, and feel free to spread this far and wide should you so desire.
Crossposting this to both the USMNT and USWNT threads.
Le Tour De Four. USWNT books it trips to the 2019 World Cup in...
"U.S. Women’s Soccer Team Sues U.S. Soccer for Gender Discrimination"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/sports/womens-soccer-team-lawsuit-gender-discrimination.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/08/sports/womens-soccer-team-lawsuit-gender-discrimination.html
I just don’t see how they have a case. The Men and Women negotiate their own CBA and as such have agreed to very different parameters and guaranteed money.
If anything, I’d think the women have a very strong case against FIFA since FIFA has set payouts for the WC that are drastically below the Men’s tournament prize money.
The tricky part about the last bit with FIFA payments is considering revenues that are brought in for each. I'm sure there's quite a difference. I'm not sure if those differences are kept down proportionately to the payouts the players receive, so that is something where there could be more of a case.
I’m sure there’s a lot of information FIFA doesn’t want made known and would make for a fascinating Discovery period. It’s easy for them to say smaller field, less tix sales, less TV demand/contracts, but until they lay their cards on the tables, it’s diffic to rationalize the current disparity, especially considering Tennis and Road Racing have already evened the payouts between Men/Women.
The challenge for the women is that the systems are just different for the men's team and the women's team, and it makes it really hard to compare - an apples to apples basis is impossible.
Some examples. The women receive a salary plus a bonus if they win, while the men get paid per game, with higher bonuses when they win, but no salary. The women receive much lower payouts for World Cups, but those are all structured by FIFA, and US Soccer doesn't have a say. The women play many more games to get paid what they do, but the men have more official FIFA competitions and longer World Cup qualifying. The women, at least lately, have been attracting more fans in the stands, but the men (as of a couple of years ago) were getting higher TV ratings. I could go on, but I think the point is clear.
I am not saying the women aren't being paid less or otherwise treated poorly (see e.g. all the games on turf). I am just pointing out that it's hard to make a clear comparison, and that's going to be a big challenge for them.
Some examples. The women receive a salary plus a bonus if they win, while the men get paid per game, with higher bonuses when they win, but no salary. The women receive much lower payouts for World Cups, but those are all structured by FIFA, and US Soccer doesn't have a say. The women play many more games to get paid what they do, but the men have more official FIFA competitions and longer World Cup qualifying. The women, at least lately, have been attracting more fans in the stands, but the men (as of a couple of years ago) were getting higher TV ratings. I could go on, but I think the point is clear.
I am not saying the women aren't being paid less or otherwise treated poorly (see e.g. all the games on turf). I am just pointing out that it's hard to make a clear comparison, and that's going to be a big challenge for them.
I think tennis is actually a good example. When men and women play at the same event (the four majors, for instance), they are paid the same. But, I believe that there is substantial pay inequity between the many tournaments that are for one sex or the other. I could be wrong there, but I recall hearing that as an issue in the sport.
I feel pretty strongly that U.S. Soccer should pay both sexes equally, but I also believe it should structure those payments differently to reflect the differences in how the sport works for men and women. I also don't think U.S. Soccer should feel obligated to make up the difference when third parties pay women less (e.g. World Cup play, domestic leagues, endorsements). I suspect the pay from U.S. Soccer is actually pretty close to even, but it's hard to know for sure. Hopefully, any case will present an opportunity for smart people to examine how it's done really closely.
Maybe since the Men and Women NT’s have a single governing body, they should have a single CBA so that it’s very apparent the terms are the same.
But I think there's a reason they are different that makes sense. The men players can usually make a very solid living playing club soccer. That's not so much true for the women. So it makes sense to structure the women's compensation significantly as a salary, because for many of these players, it's their primary source of income, and they might not want it to be dependent on how many tournaments there are in a given year and how many they win.
But for the men, the US team games are an intrusion on their primary job, so they get no salary, play fewer games, and a bigger per game payout. I don't know how you change that until women's club soccer get's a lot more popular and lucrative.
ETA: There are still steps you can take to make sure the total payouts are as even as possible, but I don't think a single CBA or pay structure makes sense.
ETA: On the other hand, if the women want to follow the men's team pattern, or vice versa, I certainly say let them have what they want. But I'm guessing on this point their preferences differ.
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I don’t disagree with anything you wrote, but it’s very difficult, if not impossible, to match/compare compensation if the parameters for earning such are drastically different. If the Women’s CBA calls for more of a salary, who gets that and how is it prorated and is there a cap that can be achieved, and does players earn it even if injured, etc etc etc - it’s all guaranteed money. Whereas the Men don’t get jack if they don’t make the team, so it’s a feast/famine situation.
It’s a separate issue, but it’s more the crux of the problem, that the women’s league needs to have higher earnings so that players’ contracts can offer a living (or hopefully exceeding) wage, because the WNT should not be organized as a full-time salaried situation.
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