TFC Postmatch

[Midas Mulligan]

he must have been trolling. put him on ignore

I put post-match pressers on ignore a long time ago. I haven't looked back.

Despite your generalized paranoia, I have not put you on ignore. I think your willingness to take firm stands on outlandish, baseless opinions is entertaining.

 

[Joseph Bianco]

I put post-match pressers on ignore a long time ago. I haven't looked back.

Despite your generalized paranoia, I have not put you on ignore. I think your willingness to take firm stands on outlandish, baseless opinions is entertaining.

my opinions arent baseless, and even T Tom in Fairfield CT who i basically went to war with about pirlo agreed with most of my posts. and while i dont agree with you i still enjoy to hear your perspective in hopes that you maybe can sway me. but the performance i saw on the field just isnt justifying it.

 

[roxfontaine]

I think we're all still pissed off this morning. I am pretty livid actually.

They were already out Bradley and Altidore. Gio goes down AND their coach gets sent off. Sweet fucking gift wrap...

What do we do? We blow it. No, Patrick Vieira blew it. He blew it with another huge game coming on a quick turnaround. I hope y'all are ready. Chicago may grand slam us out of this baseball stadium on Saturday.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

my opinions arent baseless, and even T Tom in Fairfield CT who i basically went to war with about pirlo agreed with most of my posts. and while i dont agree with you i still enjoy to hear your perspective in hopes that you maybe can sway me. but the performance i saw on the field just isnt justifying it.

I don't even know if I disagree with you or anyone else's opinions about last night that have been offered in this thread. They are all mostly right.

It was hot as balls. We didn't really look all that good even when leading and before the last 20, but we "looked the likelier" most of the time, creating more and better chances. Then, PV pv'ed it up, soiling the bed linens with craptastic subs and bunker ball.

 

[roxfontaine]

Vieira reveals his strategy:

https://twitter.com/x/status/887855033311608836

No surprise here at all. This is fundamentally a good thing. He has a philosophy that has given us an identity as a team. The players have bought into it and it has been successful overall. No reason to change the entire philosophy. Coach has GOT to be better managing these situations. He is pretty predictable in these situations and more capable managers/teams crack the code and ride the wave.

 

[canchon]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWwDOBRgueQ/?tagged=andreapirlo The Best Part Of The Game !! this goes out to J Joseph Bianco

Pirlo is only missing a nice glass of Pratum Coller Rosato while he is going on that nightly stroll. Look of a guy who knows that he's just going through the motions (yet does it with style).

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

#AskVieira: Patrick, which one of the world class coaches you have played for taught you to take off all your offensive players and just add defenders with no shape or reason?

I thought TO did what they had to to beat us. Here is their successful passing in the 1st half:

as expected, they didnt get anything up the middle and were forced to try to go up the wings. Unsuccessfully I might add. here is their missed passes, 1st half: (they were trying speculative long passes to no one.

We really shut them down in the first half. Now both teams go to the locker room and make their adjustments, here is successful passing 2nd half for TO:

How do they completely gain control of the midfield, and start abusing the right side of our defense? Not sure, but we had that game in our pocket in the first half.

Here is us in the first half:

Looks very good to me, attacks coming from the middle and both wings, tons of possession in their half. Now lets look at the results of Patrick's tinkering: 2nd half NYC:

No possession in their half. We allowed TO, with a full B team to do whatever they wanted. The answer was fresh attackers in the 2nd half. Tommy has not been good this year, was not good again last night, and to top it off was walking around exhausted. How the fuck do you put Lopez in for him? How do you take Maxi out, the one player who was doing anything offensively?

I agree with most of what was said here (herrera bad game, RJ bad on defense), but let me add some things I haven't heard: What was Johnson doing on goal #1? He was screened in front, but took his time moving to the side of the goal that the cross was going to. What was up with Jack? Great game 1v1, had some awesome moves with the ball, created space, then just wasted it. Every shot he took he had multiple open teammates calling for the ball.

I'm fucking pissed off at this game.

 

[canchon]

No surprise here at all. This is fundamentally a good thing. He has a philosophy that has given us an identity as a team. The players have bought into it and it has been successful overall. No reason to change the entire philosophy. Coach has GOT to be better managing these situations. He is pretty predictable in these situations and more capable managers/teams crack the code and ride the wave.

Should be "we are not changing our strategy, except when we are winning at the end of the game, then i'm definitely changing it and trying to bunker with sub-par defenders - doesn't matter their skill, more is better."

 

[canchon]

Also, somebody's got to sit Harrison down and explain to him how to defend. Two almost identical goals in two games where ball goes beyond him at the back post for a volley into an open net. The one against Vancouver he whiffed; this one he was completely asleep.

 

[canchon]

Also of note on the excellent analysis by T Tom in Fairfield CT on the second half - look at WHO is making all the successful passes down the right hand side, owning the space in front of the box. #7 - Vasquez. Also give TOR credit for the Raheem Edwards sub, once he came in him and Vasquez abused that side. Who's the defender over there, hmmm???

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Also of note on the excellent analysis by T Tom in Fairfield CT on the second half - look at WHO is making all the successful passes down the right hand side, owning the space in front of the box. #7 - Vasquez. Also give TOR credit for the Raheem Edwards sub, once he came in him and Vasquez abused that side. Who's the defender over there, hmmm???

I think it was Lopez at that point. My best guess at that clusterfuck once Lopez came in was an insane 5 man back line that was (our left to right) Sweat, Allen, Callens, Chanot, Lopez.

Ethan white was a clear admission by good Patrick, that bad Patrick had made a big mistake, and he tried to put Mikey into his usual role of chase the ball around trying to hurt people, subbing White into RB. Bad Patrick learned nothing from all his Brillant subs, its not the players at that point, it is fucking with the defensive shape.

 

[Seven]

I think it was Lopez at that point. My best guess at that clusterfuck once Lopez came in was an insane 5 man back line that was (our left to right) Sweat, Allen, Callens, Chanot, Lopez.

Ethan white was a clear admission by good Patrick, that bad Patrick had made a big mistake, and he tried to put Mikey into his usual role of chase the ball around trying to hurt people, subbing White into RB. Bad Patrick learned nothing from all his Brillant subs, its not the players at that point, it is fucking with the defensive shape.

Nah, RJ spent a lot of time getting abused by Edwards.

Remember when Chanot came over to help and RJ still took the foul?

 

[gbservis]

A lone bright moment to enjoy from a dismal performance. I hadn't noticed before but Villa juked Alseth so hard he fell over.

https://twitter.com/x/status/887838619318325248

 

[Angela Miller]

Pirlo is only missing a nice glass of Pratum Coller Rosato while he is going on that nightly stroll. Look of a guy who knows that he's just going through the motions (yet does it with style).

Didn't know where you were going I'm glad i stayed for the end ! All True there !........ But his old self better Enjoy these calm moments while he can ......Any Day She's about to pop with twins ! So I leave you with that . LoL !

 

[FredMertz]

Keep in mind I came to soccer later in life and never really played, and this might make sense in basketball and not soccer, but:

In the past when Jack had the ball on the wing it seemed like other players did a better job of clearing out for him to give him a chance to take on a defender 1 on 1. They did not seem to clear out for him yesterday and left a lot of defenders in a position to defend him. If they cleared out, wouldn't at least some defenders have to leave with them?

 

[Ulrich]

Lmao I just can't, these are the exact excuses I'm talking about. On that note goodnight.

Honestly man, I've tried responding civilly with you, but you confuse and conflate a serious amount of shit and I wonder how closely you read the posts or grasp their content? The only excuse I've made for the loss tonight was Vieira's ineptitude at in-match subs. I never made an excuse about the first goal and said shit happens. If this was last year, like when I wrote out the Logic Proof, I'd take the time to demonstrate the physics of Motion of Maxi's deflected goal vs a deflected pass+Redirected shot, but as this week has shown, nothing registers with you except your own eye of the beholder opinion.

I think it was Lopez at that point. My best guess at that clusterfuck once Lopez came in was an insane 5 man back line that was (our left to right) Sweat, Allen, Callens, Chanot, Lopez.

Ethan white was a clear admission by good Patrick, that bad Patrick had made a big mistake, and he tried to put Mikey into his usual role of chase the ball around trying to hurt people, subbing White into RB. Bad Patrick learned nothing from all his Brillant subs, its not the players at that point, it is fucking with the defensive shape.

I think your backline is right except Allen was outside of Sweat to play wingback with Sweat as LCB. I totally understand what PV was trying to do, but it was foolish to change shape at the back while also inserting fresh legs at the back when none of the forwards had any gas left in the tank.

That said, I will give Mikey credit, a lot of it, for his savant-like dribbling through the entire Toronto defense on the foray that put Hererra in on goal - that had to be the first time he has ever had an out-of-body experience on the field while seeing the game move in super-slow-mo..... it really seemed like Maxi had warged with a Mikey and was controlling his run. I don't think we'll ever see him do that again, and it's really a shame Hererra didn't reward him with a much deserved assist.

 

[Joseph Bianco]

Honestly man, I've tried responding civilly with you, but you confuse and conflate a serious amount of shit and I wonder how closely you read the posts or grasp their content?/QUOTE]

i could say the same about you

The only excuse I've made for the loss tonight was Vieira's ineptitude at in-match subs. I never made an excuse about the first goal and said shit happens.

Thats my point. You are refusing to see that we played poorly aside from Villas subs. You are refusing to see that while yes youre agreeing they had a fluky goal by the same standards so did we. You make excuses for NYCFC and the players you like.

If this was last year, like when I wrote out the Logic Proof, I'd take the time to demonstrate the physics of Motion of Maxi's deflected goal vs a deflected pass+Redirected shot, but as this week has shown, nothing registers with you except your own eye of the beholder opinion.

again i can say the same for you

and apparently i dont know how to quote multiple times

 

[sbrylski]

These postgame threads are unbearable after a loss, and a huge circle jerk after a win. I just skipped about four pages because the first four were devoid of meaningful discussion. Bunch of rabble-rousing and bickering about tone.

Harrison doesn't suck now, our fullbacks aren't actually missing their heads, and Herrera is just reminding you he's 19.

Vieira's job is difficult. Executing a successful game plan is like walking a balance beam. A small slip can result in a massive bruise.

Yes, the glaring error is not playing to our strengths while we are winning. No, that does not mean we can't win the Cup, nor beat Chicago this weekend, nor make the playoffs.

I'm out. I'll see you here: http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/home-07-22-chicago.5689/

 

[Marito]

Also of note on the excellent analysis by T Tom in Fairfield CT on the second half - look at WHO is making all the successful passes down the right hand side, owning the space in front of the box. #7 - Vasquez. Also give TOR credit for the Raheem Edwards sub, once he came in him and Vasquez abused that side. Who's the defender over there, hmmm???

I was amazed that Edwards only came in at the 70th minute. The way he abused our defense it looked like a longer shift. I guess you don't need much time to embarrass Mikey, RJ and White. They made him look like Gareth Bale or Dembele, the way he was running by them and getting into the penalty area time and again. He did it at least 6 or 7 seven times in 20 minutes. Unreal. They looked confused and scared. A lot of it was Vasquez finding Edwards in his preferred spots to run at our defenders, but it just looked a talent and speed gap that would make you scream in frustration. Our fullbacks are utter shit, and except for Mata they provide no vertical, direct offense.

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

And you would be correct.

Face Palm. Misread it.