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Read that Everton are already jumping aboard this train with them . Uggh. As you said walking billboards . I'm sure this is the way lots of people felt when shirt sponsorship started in general but I don't like it.

Agreed. Horrible idea, and ultimately yet another legacy of FFP. I'm just surprised that the PL actually agreed to it.

Read that Everton are already jumping aboard this train with them . Uggh. As you said walking billboards . I'm sure this is the way lots of people felt when shirt sponsorship started in general but I don't like it.

Let's be completely honest, now that the PL have authorised it it's highly likely that by the start of next season every single club will be doing the same thing. Any club which isn't will be seen as "failing to keep up" and online articles will be written by major news sources questioning why they are turning down free money (because, let's be frank, the people who run the clubs are not in it for the philanthropy which could have generated a different spin in those articles).
 
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Lol you're right about the entire back line. Sagna/zaba are old and should be replaced. They need to move on from Kompany and Otamendi is likely to leave this off season.
Can't depend on Kolarov at LB anymore as he'll be 32 next year as well. Clichy also turns 32.
So pep has free reign to build his defense as he wants it to be this summer.
I think we likely sell Aguero and Kompany to offset some costs and make it all look good for FFP. But with the other sponsorship deal and us actually being profitable now they can splash a lot of cash this year and not have to worry much at all about it.
At least you know you'll buy someone. I love developing the talent at the club, but it's ridiculous to be in the situation that LFC is in.

Can't help but think they would have a top 4 place all but locked up if they'd done it the City way and just paid up for a top level attacker at the break. The bench versus Burnley didn't include an attacking option who wasn't a teenager (and not the Pulisic/Dembele type, either). Utterly inconceivable to be in these dire straits at such an important time.
 
Let's be completely honest, now that the PL have authorised it it's highly likely that by the start of next season every single club will be doing the same thing. Any club which isn't will be seen as "failing to keep up"
Likely except for the point made in the article posted that started this discussion that some clubs have deals with their primary shirt sponsors that grant exclusivity. Etihad did not object to MC because Etihad and CFG are effectively the same thing even though legally and structurally separate. For some clubs, adding a sleeve sponsor would require buying off the current sponsor. If you can't do that for less than what the sleeve sponsor pays it's not worth it. Once all the current contracts expire, however, I agree this will become the norm.
 
Agreed. Horrible idea, and ultimately yet another legacy of FFP. I'm just surprised that the PL actually agreed to it.



Let's be completely honest, now that the PL have authorised it it's highly likely that by the start of next season every single club will be doing the same thing. Any club which isn't will be seen as "failing to keep up" and online articles will be written by major news sources questioning why they are turning down free money (because, let's be frank, the people who run the clubs are not in it for the philanthropy which could have generated a different spin in those articles).
What will be interesting to watch is if jersey sales diminish.

I'm not sure if I'd buy another jersey if we got sleeve advertising- it's one thing for the front of the shirt to have a brand associated with the club, but sleeves become a walking billboard.

It's also a bit disingenuous for the PL to do it since they're flush with TV cash, whereas other smaller leagues (Central American) that do it because their very survival is at stake (not that I'd buy their jerseys either, but I understand their positions).
 
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What will be interesting to watch is if jersey sales diminish.

I'm not sure if I'd buy another jersey if we got sleeve advertising- it's one thing for the front of the shirt to have a brand associated with the club, but sleeves become a walking billboard.

It's also a bit disingenuous for the PL to do it since they're flush with TV cash, whereas other smaller leagues (Central American) that do it because their very survival is at stake (not that I'd buy their jerseys either, but I understand their positions).
A walking billboard is a bit of a stretch. They're replacing the PL logos I nothing is being added. You go from advertising the PL logo to a different company. Not different at all.
 
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A walking billboard is a be of a stretch. They're replacing the PL logos I nothing is being added. You go from advertising the PL logo to a different company. Not different at all.
I don't think most people think that logos on a jersey associated with the team or its league count as advertising. You're right. They are. But the people buying them look at is as signalling an affinity. Advertising for the sponsors is a difference in kind, not just degree.
 
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What will be interesting to watch is if jersey sales diminish.

I'm not sure if I'd buy another jersey if we got sleeve advertising- it's one thing for the front of the shirt to have a brand associated with the club, but sleeves become a walking billboard.

It's also a bit disingenuous for the PL to do it since they're flush with TV cash, whereas other smaller leagues (Central American) that do it because their very survival is at stake (not that I'd buy their jerseys either, but I understand their positions).

It depends. I'm fairly sure that at the very least a high proportion, if not an overwhelming majority, of shirt sales come from parents buying shirts for their kids or from tourists at games/casual fans to whom an extra sponsor is irrelevant because they are buying into the fandom of a "world club". The percentage of fans who will be so incensed as to now refuse to buy the shirts are pretty small, especially considering they will almost certainly form only a minority out of that minority who aren't of the first two groups.

Also bear in mind that the takings from shirt sales are pretty low, even for some of the world's top clubs. The reasons that kit manufacturers are now willing to sponsor teams almost more than the shirt sponsors, even though their logos are smaller and therefore get less exposure on TV, is because they take the lion's share of all shirt sales. Of all the teams in the world, as of the latest figures I saw (approx. 2015) only about two or three teams sold more than a million each. The rest of the PL's "Big Five" clubs only sell between about 800k down to City decidedly bringing up the rear with barely 300k, which means they aren't even in the top 20 clubs worldwide for shirt sales - even the likes of Galatasaray and Olympique Marseille sell more.

From those figures, clubs make barely £10 a shirt, and perhaps even half of that, because the kit manufacturer swallows most of the profit and then because most clubs contract out to companies like KitBag to handle their sales too. That means that City are probably making at most £3m from shirt sales a year, and possibly closer to £1m. (This, incidentally, is why you should laugh with derision whenever anyone claims that if a club ever signed Messi then they'd make the transfer fee back in shirt sales).

When you bring that figure back to my first paragraph, where I doubt that clubs will really lose that many sales because of this, then you realise that their potential loss from this may be as low as £100,000, and likely isn't any higher than £500,000. I guarantee that the yearly takings from this new form of sponsorship is a whole lot higher than that.
 
What is it with ref fucking over City teams this weekend.

Mark Geiger with a shitshow vs. Montreal.

Michael Oliver with a two clear missed penalties on the same play and a wrongly given penalty to Liverpool.
 
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What is it with ref fucking over City teams this weekend.

Mark Geiger with a shitshow vs. Montreal.

Michael Oliver with a two clear missed penalties on the same play and a wrongly given penalty to Liverpool.

Melbourne City got what they wanted from their ref, though.
 
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1862/pr.../guardiola-to-meet-man-city-bosses-as-planned

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It's an interesting move there's little doubting he's a very good player but is he really in an area of need for City? I think he sort of plays the same role as his namesake. Maybe he's seen as David's long term replacement but I don't think the elder Silva is going anywhere just yet.