Gudmundur Thórarinsson [defender]

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Like the Voice is accurate-ish. I don't know how to describe it, but Eurovision is a competition amongst European nations, as well as some outside of Europe like Australia, and Israel (competition has to do with TV rights, but that's another topic). Each country has their own internal competition to choose their representative, then their rep goes to the hosting city for the final competition. Each "band/singer" performs and then they combine a fan vote and the country rep votes to determine the winner. The country rep votes are highly politcal, so it's interesting/funny to see where countries award their points/votes.

The bands/artists aren't just judged on their musical abilities, as many performances that win are based on the entertainment value rather than actual musical/singing abilities, which in my opinion is what makes Eurovision interesting and fun to watch.
wait he was part of eurovision? I know eurovision lol. someone said this was iceland-specific though? Or this was their 'qualifier' for eurovision?
 

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wait he was part of eurovision? I know eurovision lol. someone said this was iceland-specific though? Or this was their 'qualifier' for eurovision?
I believe it was their qualifier for it, not sure though. I don't have any Icelandic sources to refer to.
A Annagram do you have any friends across the way in Iceland to bring to the Forum?
 

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There seems to be two spellings of his last name ?
It's just the way they spell his name in his native land of Iceland. His last name is based on the patronymic method, not a surname, which means his "lastname" derives from his father's name + son. So he is Gudmundur, Thoraron's son.

Guðmundur Þórarinsson- There isn't a direct letter swap to the English language, so they throw in something that's close enough.
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So....... does that mean that if he has a son, that son would be called Something Gudmundurson?
 
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So....... does that mean that if he has a son, that son would be called Something Gudmundurson?
Yep. Your son(s) would be;
[FIRST NAME] Jocksson

A lot of names like Jackson and Peterson/Pedersen derived from this naming system, but due to a lack of knowledge/history/moving they incorporated the patronymic name into a surname. At some point a few families said "fuck it" and just used the Patronymic name as a surname.
 
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Yep. Your son(s) would be;
[FIRST NAME] Jocksson

A lot of names like Jasckson and Peterson/Pedersen derived from this naming system, but due to a lack of knowledge/history/moving they incorporated the patronymic name into a surname. At some point a few families said "fuck it" and just used the Patronymic name as a surname.
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Similar reasons other surnames came about.. like Weaver and Smith for trades like weaving and blacksmith.
I suppose the Welsh type (Richards, Williams, Jones. Davies etc.) is just a version of patronym names, where the name shows whose kid it is, and during the centuries these have become surnames. Just as the Irish O' and Scottish Mac. The Jocky version of Gudmundur would thus be Gudmundur McThorarin.
 

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Makes me wonder where the actual surname vs patronymic name tradition came from.

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I mean, if you look around cultures it exists in SO many places.
In semitic languages you have it too - such as 'ben' in hebrew or 'bin' or 'ibn' in arabic meaning 'son of', then you have 'van' in dutch... I don't know much about if it exists in Asian languages but from my experience with Japanese and Chinese it doesn't - seems to stop around the mountain ranges surrounding china / east. Maybe I'm wrong about that - anyone know any information that says otherwise?

And I'm not talking about googling it :)
 

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Makes me wonder where the actual surname vs patronymic name tradition came from.

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I mean, if you look around cultures it exists in SO many places.
In semitic languages you have it too - such as 'ben' in hebrew or 'bin' or 'ibn' in arabic meaning 'son of', then you have 'van' in dutch... I don't know much about if it exists in Asian languages but from my experience with Japanese and Chinese it doesn't - seems to stop around the mountain ranges surrounding china / east. Maybe I'm wrong about that - anyone know any information that says otherwise?

And I'm not talking about googling it :)
The Dutch "van XXXX" is moreso an indicator royal family name, rather than patronymic. Similar to German "von XXXX." The Dutch use(d) -zoon/-sen and -dochter at the end of names.

Shwafta Shwafta the wiki page has some more info, I'd use the source links to get even more random and thorough info too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronymic
 

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He’s probably a nice guy and apparently an able musician, but as a soccer player he’s so far been a tourist at NYCFC. Perhaps cv has hindered his progress, who knows. (I wish him well ofc)
 
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He’s probably a nice guy and apparently an able musician, but as a soccer player he’s so far been a tourist at NYCFC. Perhaps cv has hindered his progress, who knows. (I wish him well ofc)
I feel we haven't really been able to get an idea as to how he plays since his only start came as a winger (even though he's apparently a CM/LB) and his only other playing time is as a 5-10 minute sub for Mata. Very small sample size, but I agree he hasn't shown too much in the small sample size. Still some hope, but I think we need to see him get a few more minutes before passing a true judgement.