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This is the most sane, simple solution I’ve seen. Thread.

I like the simplification, but that seems like a very significant increase to the cap. I'm all for it as long as most teams would be on board, but I'm a bit skeptical that some of the clubs (Colorado, Columbus, Cincy, etc.) would follow suit.

One thing that that tweet doesn't mention at all, is the impact of transfer fees. Perhaps he's implying that they shouldn't be considered at all? I'm not sure.

All in all, I think this is the direction we need to go, just feel like what he's laid out is maybe 2-3 years away (from a salary cap limit perspective).
 

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I like the simplification, but that seems like a very significant increase to the cap. I'm all for it as long as most teams would be on board, but I'm a bit skeptical that some of the clubs (Colorado, Columbus, Cincy, etc.) would follow suit.

One thing that that tweet doesn't mention at all, is the impact of transfer fees. Perhaps he's implying that they shouldn't be considered at all? I'm not sure.

All in all, I think this is the direction we need to go, just feel like what he's laid out is maybe 2-3 years away (from a salary cap limit perspective).
Seems he’s implying the transfer numbers shouldn’t impact the Cap Numbers. Let it be a separate standalone fee paid.
 
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I'm thinking the transfer fee would be pro-rated into the $15m cap just like it is now.
 

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This is the most sane, simple solution I’ve seen. Thread.

I like the simplification, but that seems like a very significant increase to the cap. I'm all for it as long as most teams would be on board, but I'm a bit skeptical that some of the clubs (Colorado, Columbus, Cincy, etc.) would follow suit.

One thing that that tweet doesn't mention at all, is the impact of transfer fees. Perhaps he's implying that they shouldn't be considered at all? I'm not sure.

All in all, I think this is the direction we need to go, just feel like what he's laid out is maybe 2-3 years away (from a salary cap limit perspective).
Also, I'm imagining if they are going to simplify things and increase the cap a good deal, they will need to institute a salary floor to ensure that some clubs don't just drop off.
 
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I like the simplification, but that seems like a very significant increase to the cap. I'm all for it as long as most teams would be on board, but I'm a bit skeptical that some of the clubs (Colorado, Columbus, Cincy, etc.) would follow suit.
Also, I'm imagining if they are going to simplify things and increase the cap a good deal, they will need to institute a salary floor to ensure that some clubs don't just drop off.
Don't forget that -- at least for now -- all money spent by a club on salaries except for DP spending above the single player cap maximum does not come directly out of the club's pockets. Unless they change this, there should be no issues with low spending clubs.
Now, it is possible that with a cap increase this big (which I agree seems too big a move to reasonably expect) they would change that system. Maybe they would have a $15mm cap with the first $7mm paid by the league, or something like that whatever the numbers are. But if they keep the current system these issues don't arise.

ETA: Also Discretionary TAM can come out of club funds, $2.8mm max, but this proposal would eliminate TAM so I guess it is irrelevant anyway..
 
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This is the most sane, simple solution I’ve seen. Thread.

Easy to tweet this when you aren't opening up your wallet to pay for it.

$15 million is already more than 21 of the 24 team payrolls this season, and that would be before 4 DPs, which I guess would whomever are the top four earners on each team. Plus, another $2-3 million for charter flights every week. And most teams are cash flow negative as it is.
 

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Easy to tweet this when you aren't opening up your wallet to pay for it.

$15 million is already more than 21 of the 24 team payrolls this season, and that would be before 4 DPs, which I guess would whomever are the top four earners on each team. Plus, another $2-3 million for charter flights every week. And most teams are cash flow negative as it is.
Look at the principles of the tweet on their merits, not the actual $15M. You’re getting bogged down on specifics and failing to appreciate the streamlined nature of the proposal.
 

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Look at the principles of the tweet on their merits, not the actual $15M. You’re getting bogged down on specifics and failing to appreciate the streamlined nature of the proposal.
The only think that I see here that really makes it any different is the 'no tam or gam", everything else seems just as complicated as it was before... and to be honest, the only really confusing part was the whole 'salary cap' + 'tam/gam' thing to begin with....
 

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The only think that I see here that really makes it any different is the 'no tam or gam", everything else seems just as complicated as it was before... and to be honest, the only really confusing part was the whole 'salary cap' + 'tam/gam' thing to begin with....
That’s all you unpacked from it???

1. No TAM/GAM.
2. DPs don’t count against CAP, so youth/senior ignored.
3. Transfer Fees aren’t prorated into salaries.
4. No drafts.
5. No allocation list
6. Real Free Agency
7. (Assumed) fixed number of international slots.

Many of those changes do away with the mental gymnastics of current trades and future considerations. Makes the CAP and transfers straight forward
 
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If we end up simplifying to the extent suggested by player demands and various tweets, what happens to all the "capologists" out there? Including the one who is now our SD?

Not so concerned by the evaporation of arbitrarily constructed work as much as the idea that the utility of the primary qualifications of our new SD may end up evaporating with it.
 
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If we end up simplifying to the extent suggested by player demands and various tweets, what happens to all the "capologists" out there? Including the one who is now our SD?

Not so concerned by the evaporation of arbitrarily constructed work as much as the idea that the utility of the primary qualifications of our new SD may end up evaporating with it.
There will always be a need for some sort of Cap expert, because it’s assumed future contracts will increase with tenure justifying somebody to weigh pros/cons of keeping/releasing.

But as to our SD having no professional soccer background outside of performance evaluation, maybe focus on having somebody that can create/enact the doctrine that the club is playing to if a style really is what’s sought after. Lee can probably evaluate pretty well but can he develop a vision and understanding that’s proactive instead of reactive? Tiki/Pep won’t always be driving the CFG ship, and one would assume there would be a local expert on this club’s identity since what’s played at MCFC is done with players of one caliber while what’s played here is done with a few calibers removed.
 
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If we end up simplifying to the extent suggested by player demands and various tweets, what happens to all the "capologists" out there? Including the one who is now our SD?

Not so concerned by the evaporation of arbitrarily constructed work as much as the idea that the utility of the primary qualifications of our new SD may end up evaporating with it.
It just can’t be true that cap management is Lee’s *primary* skill. That’s one set of rules that looks complicated to us from the outside because we never quite know the actual dollar amount for anything, so we’re kind of constantly estimating things, but if we’re being realistic, at the end of the day it’s just three or four buckets of money available under slightly different circumstances. I’m sure there is plenty more to Lee’s TD background and apparent good reputation than the slightly procedural arithmetic you might find in a fifth-grade word problem.
 

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That’s all you unpacked from it???

1. No TAM/GAM.
2. DPs don’t count against CAP, so youth/senior ignored.
3. Transfer Fees aren’t prorated into salaries.
4. No drafts.
5. No allocation list
6. Real Free Agency
7. (Assumed) fixed number of international slots.

Many of those changes do away with the mental gymnastics of current trades and future considerations. Makes the CAP and transfers straight forward
I have to apologize, I didn't notice it was a thread, so I only saw t he first tweet. You are right, a lot is different. My bad!