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[Gotham Gator]

Poor form, seriously? Feel free to disagree because that's your opinion, but on a fan forum it's definitely not poor form, especially because I can back it up.

The CBA pushed for money to go to salaries and not travel - LD is covered by that CBA and as a union member signed on to the decisions made. He wants to have his cake and eat it to. That's not just bad form, that's piss-poor form.

I know you like the guy but don't let your fandom cloud your judgement because that's exactly what is happening. Tom in Fairfield CT and I didn't say anything out of place.

I get the point, but I found some of the language used to make it disrespectful and therefore disappointing - Tom much moreso than you, to be fair.

Also, Donovan was one person quoted in a story written by the LA Times. It's not like he's leading a movement on this stuff. Someone asked him a question, and he answered it, and the fact that he tends to be candid and not PC is one reason why I like the guy.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

No, but do you publicly criticize your employer on issues that your union didn't prioritize during negotiations of your CBA?

I don't have a union, but I have my own employee contract that I agreed to. If there's something I don't like, I either talk to my employer now and hope for a common ground to be agreed to, wait for my annual review to discuss/renegotiate, or I look for another job (if the item is big enough to warrant a move). I don't go on social media (my equivalent of going to the press since I'm not a celebrity) to openly complain about it.

But back to the topic at hand: I'm all for better transportation options for team. I think it would help the product on the field. I just don't think the players have a place to complain until the next CBA comes around. Arena can complain, and all coaches should, because they're neutral parties in the discussion.

No, but do you publicly criticize your employer on issues that your union didn't prioritize during negotiations of your CBA?

I don't have a union, but I have my own employee contract that I agreed to. If there's something I don't like, I either talk to my employer now and hope for a common ground to be agreed to, wait for my annual review to discuss/renegotiate, or I look for another job (if the item is big enough to warrant a move). I don't go on social media (my equivalent of going to the press since I'm not a celebrity) to openly complain about it.

But back to the topic at hand: I'm all for better transportation options for team. I think it would help the product on the field. I just don't think the players have a place to complain until the next CBA comes around. Arena can complain, and all coaches should, because they're neutral parties in the discussion.

Complaining about your employer is like a prerequeisite for being a union member. You can also complain about union. Unless Landon Donovan neogiated the CBA he can complain all he wants.

 

[FootyLovin]

the fact that he tends to be candid and not PC is one reason why I like the guy.

It is ironic. We want people to be genuine. But we are also all too eager to shout about how they should STFU if they say the wrong thing.

I'm all for disagreement, but I support LD saying it. Short of saying anything totally racist, say what you want LD.

 

[Ulrich]

It is ironic. We want people to be genuine. But we are also all too eager to shout about how they should STFU if they say the wrong thing.

I'm all for disagreement, but I support LD saying it. Short of saying anything totally racist, say what you want LD.

What's ironic about it? I'm all for genuine too, but when employed, it's common and expected to publicly show solidarity with the company. Complain amongst themselves, but not to the public. I'd come off as a brat & sniveling if I complained to clients about my work situation, but that's not to say I don't discuss it with my coworkers.

 

[SoupInNYC]

What's ironic about it? I'm all for genuine too, but when employed, it's common and expected to publicly show solidarity with the company. Complain amongst themselves, but not to the public. I'd come off as a brat & sniveling if I complained to clients about my work situation, but that's not to say I don't discuss it with my coworkers.

I'd hear you if LD sought out reporters to complain about the travel. But it appears within this context that a reporter was asking the question and he (as well as Bruce Arena) genuinely answered. I have no issue with that.

 

[Ulrich]

I'd hear you if LD sought out reporters to complain about the travel. But it appears within this context that a reporter was asking the question and he (as well as Bruce Arena) genuinely answered. I have no issue with that.

I understand your point but disagree. One can be genuine without throwing their organization under the bus. Some may call it evasive, some may call it a white lie, but it's really function spin, and all he had to answer was "our travel situation is what it is and we're always ready to play on game day," or something similar. What isn't said actually says it all without coming off as entitled.

I have no problem with Arena's comments at all since he doesn't have a CBA with the league. In fact, I think the coaches have the greatest ability to force change in the rules since they are a neutral conduit between the players and owners and facilitate getting the most out of the team collective.

 

[Schwallacus]

I don't mean to call you out specifically, because this phrase is used so much all over the place by so many people. But who the hell came up with this phrase?

Of course I want to have my cake AND eat it. The only reason I want to have cake is so I can eat it.

I believe it was Sir Mordes Sertplase in the year 1537 (the year could be off, possibly 1536). It was during the 4th annual peasant cake-bake competition held in Shrewsbury, where bakers would bake a cake for the rest of the bakers to test, and then the winner would be chosen based off of whose cake was enjoyed by the most people, without the bias of eating ones own cake. Even though Sir Sertplase wasn't a baker, he wanted to entertain the idea of entering this competition, something he always wanted to do ever since he was a wee little lad. Fast-forward to the competition, and Sir Sertplase being slightly intoxicated off of mead to calm his nerves, he boisterously questioned the basis of this competition and how the bakers weren't ever allowed to enjoy their own cake as well as all the others? This rebellious and, at the time, unfathomable thought ended with Ser Mordes Sertplase being banned from stepping foot in Shrewsbury ever again. Thus, the commoners started to scoff at his outrageous idea with the phrase, "He wants to have his cake and eat it to."


*Historians note...... this entire story is 500% untrue*

 

[Goodfella]

I believe it was Sir Mordes Sertplase in the year 1537 (the year could be off, possibly 1536). It was during the 4th annual peasant cake-bake competition held in Shrewsbury, where bakers would bake a cake for the rest of the bakers to test, and then the winner would be chosen based off of whose cake was enjoyed by the most people, without the bias of eating ones own cake. Even though Sir Sertplase wasn't a baker, he wanted to entertain the idea of entering this competition, something he always wanted to do ever since he was a wee little lad. Fast-forward to the competition, and Sir Sertplase being slightly intoxicated off of mead to calm his nerves, he boisterously questioned the basis of this competition and how the bakers weren't ever allowed to enjoy their own cake as well as all the others? This rebellious and, at the time, unfathomable thought ended with Ser Mordes Sertplase being banned from stepping foot in Shrewsbury ever again. Thus, the commoners started to scoff at his outrageous idea with the phrase, "He wants to have his cake and eat it to."


*Historians note...... this entire story is 500% untrue*

 

[adam]

I believe it was Sir Mordes Sertplase in the year 1537 (the year could be off, possibly 1536). It was during the 4th annual peasant cake-bake competition held in Shrewsbury, where bakers would bake a cake for the rest of the bakers to test, and then the winner would be chosen based off of whose cake was enjoyed by the most people, without the bias of eating ones own cake. Even though Sir Sertplase wasn't a baker, he wanted to entertain the idea of entering this competition, something he always wanted to do ever since he was a wee little lad. Fast-forward to the competition, and Sir Sertplase being slightly intoxicated off of mead to calm his nerves, he boisterously questioned the basis of this competition and how the bakers weren't ever allowed to enjoy their own cake as well as all the others? This rebellious and, at the time, unfathomable thought ended with Ser Mordes Sertplase being banned from stepping foot in Shrewsbury ever again. Thus, the commoners started to scoff at his outrageous idea with the phrase, "He wants to have his cake and eat it to."


*Historians note...... this entire story is 500% untrue*

If that fit on the bottom of a snapple cap, I'd 100% believe it.

 

[SoupInNYC]

I understand your point but disagree. One can be genuine without throwing their organization under the bus. Some may call it evasive, some may call it a white lie, but it's really function spin, and all he had to answer was "our travel situation is what it is and we're always ready to play on game day," or something similar. What isn't said actually says it all without coming off as entitled.

I have no problem with Arena's comments at all since he doesn't have a CBA with the league. In fact, I think the coaches have the greatest ability to force change in the rules since they are a neutral conduit between the players and owners and facilitate getting the most out of the team collective.

But that really wouldn't be all that genuine IMO. He really wouldn't be able to frame the argument about perception of the league.

Additionally, why can't players complain about the CBA? I understand that they agreed to it, but it doesn't include everything they wanted and ultimately they'll renegotiate down the road. When would be the "appropriate" time to complain about certain aspects of it?

 

[Gavin23]

Why cant some teams opt out and just pay for charter flights on their own? The teams that cant afford it stick to the MLS commercial flights.

 

[adam]

Why cant some teams opt out and just pay for charter flights on their own? The teams that cant afford it stick to the MLS commercial flights.

I believe the purpose of the rule was for parity. They didn't want the haves to fly charter and have nots boarding greyhounds.

The opt out comes in the form of allowing 2 charters per season per team. A team could choose not to take advantage. I have no idea if MLS reinmburses the team in the form of GAM for the savings of not chartering in a season.

 

[Gavin23]

I believe the purpose of the rule was for parity. They didn't want the haves to fly charter and have nots boarding greyhounds.

The opt out comes in the form of allowing 2 charters per season per team. A team could choose not to take advantage. I have no idea if MLS reinmburses the team in the form of GAM for the savings of not chartering in a season.

This league's obsession with team parity is akin to North Korea's obsession for equality in starvation.

 

[engine46]

I believe the purpose of the rule was for parity. They didn't want the haves to fly charter and have nots boarding greyhounds.

The opt out comes in the form of allowing 2 charters per season per team. A team could choose not to take advantage. I have no idea if MLS reinmburses the team in the form of GAM for the savings of not chartering in a season.

It's technically 4 legs. So it could be 2 round trips, but doesn't necessarily have to be.