Gedion Zelalem Signs for NYCFC

[Kjbert]

If he turns out to be as good as Tony Rocha for us this year, it’s a good signing. There is not going to be a lot asked of him.

If he grows into an under the radar success like an Aaron Long or Benny Feilhaber over the next two years, then we just won the offseason.

 

[Shwafta]

If he turns out to be as good as Tony Rocha for us this year, it’s a good signing. There is not going to be a lot asked of him.

If he grows into an under the radar success like an Aaron Long or Benny Feilhaber over the next two years, then we just won the offseason.

I think it'll be a tight race between Zelalem and Rocha for the Ben Sweat award this year. I'm fairly comfortable that basically the rest of the squad is above and beyond Ben Sweat Award-quality, so I hope you're right!

 

[Kjbert]

I think it'll be a tight race between Zelalem and Rocha for the Ben Sweat award this year. I'm fairly comfortable that basically the rest of the squad is above and beyond Ben Sweat Award-quality, so I hope you're right!

I feel like a proud dad that the Ben Sweat Award has caught on.

When do we think it’s appropriate to start our annual thread on awards and stats?

 

[Shwafta]

I feel like a proud dad that the Ben Sweat Award has caught on.

When do we think it’s appropriate to start our annual thread on awards and stats?

I would say soon would make sense? Maybe a few weeks before the CCL game?

 

[Schwallacus]

I would say soon would make sense? Maybe a few weeks before the CCL game?

Give it until the end of this month, early next since I presume there will be another few signings or moves. We have made major team changing signings early into the season (Heber) so it kind of skews the preseason awards if done way too early. May help to see who Deila seems to lean toward both formation and player-wise.

 

[Gotham Gator]

Let's put it this way. If someone puts up a pre-season prediction thread now, I am not filling it out until the day before our first game anyway. Better to be patient.

And it might be worth starting a thread to solicit ideas for predictions and to figure out who is taking the responsibility, so that there is no incentive to put something up quickly.

 

[Yankeedom]

If he turns out to be as good as Tony Rocha for us this year, it’s a good signing. There is not going to be a lot asked of him.

If he grows into an under the radar success like an Aaron Long or Benny Feilhaber over the next two years, then we just won the offseason.

I think this is a dangerous game to play. I assume you're implying that if he has the same kind of "impact" as Rocha, it will be a positive for this team, but I believe it's highly irresponsible to compare those two players in any way. Their games are entirely different and it's really not fair to either player.

It's like comparing a linebacker who excels in pass protection, to a free safety. Of course you can do it but it doesn't really make sense to.

 

[Antidote P. Smiley]

I think this is a dangerous game to play. I assume you're implying that if he has the same kind of "impact" as Rocha, it will be a positive for this team, but I believe it's highly irresponsible to compare those two players in any way. Their games are entirely different and it's really not fair to either player.

It's like comparing a linebacker who excels in pass protection, to a free safety. Of course you can do it but it doesn't really make sense to.

i don’t think Kjbert was comparing Rocha’s and Zelalem’s style of play or position.
Dome found a way to use Rocha in limited minutes that in the end resulted in what I would argue was a net positive effect. Rocha looked awful early on but put in some good shifts as the season progressed. If Zelalem, who is essentially a cast off, has any net positive effect in whatever minutes he can get, then maybe he’s “like Rocha”. I think Kjbert is alluding to the low expectations but decent return of the Rocha move. Few people if any are expecting Z to be a game changer or Rocha.

 

[Kjbert]

Yes. I’m saying that if contributes to the level of impact that Rocha did - deep bench, consistency, error free, a handful of moments of brilliance - then this is a good signing. That’s my expectation. Play mistake free soccer, put in shifts, be ready to play.

 

[Shwafta]

Definitely agree that it's difficult to flatten all of the dimensions of a player's game into one measure (say, impact) that can be used to compare that player with another player.

And even if that was possible, the fact that those players cannot receive the same pass or play in the same position in the same game at the same time means that the comparison would be unfair.

However:

A) it's something analogous to what we (as a club) have to do when it comes to figuring out how to value contributions of players and determine the optimal salary cap and roster composition.

B) our guesstimations of relative impact of players say much of our individualized understanding of the game and by sharing said guesstimations we stand a chance at broadening our intersubjective understanding of the game individually and as a fanbase. Which is pretty cool.

Long live the Ben Sweat award.

This.
It's not about the objective "how good", but the subjective "how good you expected x to be at the start, but then he overachieved my expectations to where I put him"

So player A could have a bar set in my head at 45% and player B could have a bar at 60%. If player A does 50% and B does 70%, I'm still picking B as overachiever bc in my head that's what I picture as "overachieved", not because statistically his Gx was above average

 

[Seth]

I don't know how to "double quote" in one post

Well first you select some text you want to quote and then click the little Reply button that shows up next to the selected text.

may have lead to a lack of clarity

Then just select some more text and do it again.

Word, just press reply on each post you want a quote.

Yup. Exactly.

 

[Yankeedom]

Well first you select some text you want to quote and then click the little Reply button that shows up next to the selected text.

Then just select some more text and do it again.

Yup. Exactly.

Does it work like that on a phone too?

 

[Christopher Jee]

Does it work like that on a phone too?

Yeah I'm basically always on a phone.

 

[Yankeedom]

Yeah I'm basically always on a phone.

Ok, cause I never see the pop up reply option when I highlight text =(