Where Will A New Stadium Be Located?

[sbrylski]

Another look at my favorite site, Broadway Junction.

This image is from this report prepared by the city: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/sustainable_communities/east_ny_report/east_ny_full.pdf

(Start on page 114 of the pdf if you want to read about the vision for the area.)

Basically, they want an anchor project or three for this neighborhood, using Atlantic Center as an example a few times. The challenge is that the entire neighborhood is pretty much small lots, so this image talks about a few sites the city would like to "assemble" for a larger scale project. They want to clean up this mess of small streets as well.

The sites to the east of the tracks running north-south are just a bit too small for a stadium, but on the west side, a stadium the size of Red Bull Arena would fit snugly the long way between Fulton and Atlantic. The central site and easternmost site could be sold to other developers for a mall or convention center or something for more consistent consumer traffic.

Excuse the super crude drawing, but like this:

Fulton, Atlantic, and Jamaica Aves are highlighted yellow as the main local traffic streets, with Jamaica splitting in the top right corner into the Jackie Robinson Parkway. Also located in this tiny area are stations for the A, C, L, J, Z, and LIRR.

Again, that's the exact area (ok, stretched one block west) they highlight as the "core" of the redevelopment, which is supposed to "attract regional scale development and create an economic center at Broadway Junction". West, north, and east of the core is supposed to be mixed development merging into existing residential, while to the south it will remain rather industrial.

I really hope they are looking hard at this place. A project like this would take a ton of time to turnaround, but it would be worth it.

 

[mgarbowski]

Show me a source that reports it was stalled by city government.

Like I said before, I'm not interested in your (or others) pointless speculation

I take it you didn't read the post a few spots above yours...

For what it's worth, here is what the recent NY Times article said about the GAL site.

So the soccer league and the club were off to the Bronx, just south of Yankee Stadium. They obtained an option to buy a factory, where they planned to build a stadium. The factory, in turn, would be moved to a new building. But the option expired before the team could craft a deal with Mayor Bill de Blasio, Mr. Bloomberg’s successor.​

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/s...is-considering-columbia-athletic-complex.html

The club had an option, and they couldn't make a deal with de Blasio before the option expired. This would count as a source, the Ny Times, indicating that the stall was city government.

 

[danger]

I take it you didn't read the post a few spots above yours...

The club had an option, and they couldn't make a deal with de Blasio before the option expired. This would count as a source, the Ny Times, indicating that the stall was city government.

Yeah, I saw it. I've read every article on the stadium site that I have come by (look at my post history) more times than I care to recall. Bagli broke the Bronx stadium deal story in Aug 2013 (or at least reported it around the same time, I'd have to go back and check) based on conversations with Randy Levine, so I'll give him credit for that. But he was not the one who got the specific leaked details in Dec 2013. He followed up a day after Capital, late to the party.

Moreover, I don't typically rely on a current article recapping/giving context from prior stories for new information when they don't refer to sources. In the article you mention, my guess is he is relying on Randy Levine's comment to the Daily News. Or maybe Levine told Bagli the same thing subsequently, but he doesn't mention any conversations with Levine or say so in the article. Seems like the piece was driven by a source/tip from someone at Columbia and not anyone involved on the NYCFC/Yankees side, given the follow-up in the Daily News.

Levine's comments to the Daily News in Dec 2014 were vague, whereas the earlier Sept 2014 reporting in Capital about the property owner/building tenant being the reason is much more specific. Now, you could go back April 2014 reporting in Capital which addressed the issue of de Blasio reluctance vis-a-vis stadium subsidies in greater detail:

In order for the old deal to acquire a new life, one of those sources told me that in addition to the intra-borough elevator company relocation and a deal with the bondholders, the New York City Football Club would have to be willing to move forward with no subsidies, direct or indirect.​

But it's curious that they don't refer to that at all in the subsequent Sept 2014 article, which suggests to me that it was no longer an issue. If that was the issue, the answer seems simple to me: CFG should pay to make the stadium happen.

 

[Tim Sanchez]

Well if the stadium building goes as well as the team has been doing this far, the new stadium will be located in Staten Island

 

[AndreT_NY]

With the zoning the way it is the easiest site to build on is still Aqueduct.

 

[Falastur]

Another look at my favorite site, Broadway Junction.

This image is from this report prepared by the city: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/sustainable_communities/east_ny_report/east_ny_full.pdf

(Start on page 114 of the pdf if you want to read about the vision for the area.)

Basically, they want an anchor project or three for this neighborhood, using Atlantic Center as an example a few times. The challenge is that the entire neighborhood is pretty much small lots, so this image talks about a few sites the city would like to "assemble" for a larger scale project. They want to clean up this mess of small streets as well.

The sites to the east of the tracks running north-south are just a bit too small for a stadium, but on the west side, a stadium the size of Red Bull Arena would fit snugly the long way between Fulton and Atlantic. The central site and easternmost site could be sold to other developers for a mall or convention center or something for more consistent consumer traffic.

Excuse the super crude drawing, but like this:

Fulton, Atlantic, and Jamaica Aves are highlighted yellow as the main local traffic streets, with Jamaica splitting in the top right corner into the Jackie Robinson Parkway. Also located in this tiny area are stations for the A, C, L, J, Z, and LIRR.

Again, that's the exact area (ok, stretched one block west) they highlight as the "core" of the redevelopment, which is supposed to "attract regional scale development and create an economic center at Broadway Junction". West, north, and east of the core is supposed to be mixed development merging into existing residential, while to the south it will remain rather industrial.

I really hope they are looking hard at this place. A project like this would take a ton of time to turnaround, but it would be worth it.

Interesting idea, though the subway line running underneath makes me uncertain. It depends on things like what the ground composition is and how deep the subway line is below the ground there, but building over an existing tube line can be an architectural nightmare, since they are so prone to collapse, and even if you don't collapse the tunnel you risk making your supports too weak.

 

[FredMertz]

Another look at my favorite site, Broadway Junction.

Broadway Junction is at the nexus of the highest crime areas in New York City. How exactly do you sell that to the ownership and fans?

 

[franch]

Broadway Junction is at the nexus of the highest crime areas in New York City. How exactly do you sell that to the ownership and fans?

http://gothamist.com/2015/05/17/nypd_16-yr-old_brutally_attacked_ro.php

 

[Manolo]

Broadway Junction is at the nexus of the highest crime areas in New York City. How exactly do you sell that to the ownership and fans?

the cops will be too busy to arrest supporters parading after the game

 

[TabascoDiva]

Well if the stadium building goes as well as the team has been doing this far, the new stadium will be located in Staten Island

Nooo!